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Msg: 968961
Subject: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: Oberon_KenobiProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 1, 2018 3:49 PM
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I'm carving my second stamp on Tan-Z. I noticed the texture on the back before, but I don't think that I brought it up on the forums. I'm asking here so that others can see the response, and join the discussion if they want.

Webfoot, what makes this texture? Is it just because they didn't roll it on the top, or did they roll this texture into it when it was forming?

It does make it so that only one side can be carved, unless one has a way to utilize the pattern.
Msg: 968962
DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: DarkZen and Evil Cow PieProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 1, 2018 3:53 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968961 by Oberon_Kenobi
I don’t know the answer but we have already been through a fair amount of it. I haven’t really lost a piece due to a carving mistake but I’m sure it’s coming. I have been giving some thought to trying to sand down the back so it can be used. I don’t have any solutions yet but if I do I’ll post them.
Msg: 968963
Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: BaliWhoProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 1, 2018 4:56 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968962 by DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie
The material is fairly thick. I wonder if you could cut away that texture on the back with an exacto or a larger gouge. People shave down, or cut off the back of stamps for micro postals, but it's not that flat. Would be hard to get a smooth surface for stamping.

maybe there's a way to secure it in a vice and cut all the way through with some kind of knife, like a guillotine?
Msg: 968964
Bon Echo Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: Bon EchoProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 1, 2018 6:17 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968961 by Oberon_Kenobi
what makes this texture? Is it just because they didn't roll it on the top, or did they roll this texture into it when it was forming?

The Stampeaz webstore describes Tan-z as "smooth on one side and pebbled on the other, <the answer>due to the extrusion process used to make it</the answer>, so it's very easy to tell which side to carve."
Msg: 968965
DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: DarkZen and Evil Cow PieProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 1, 2018 7:07 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968963 by BaliWho
I was thinking more along the lines of a belt sander. Though holding it in one spot while working on it would be a bit tricky. I have an orbital sander that might work.

The thing is, Tan is quite a bit less flexible than pink. When roughing up the carving side (so it will hold ink better) I’ve sanded a *slight* low spot. That alone can cause printing issues. Whatever method is used needs to leave the surface pretty darn flat.
Msg: 968967
Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: Oberon_KenobiProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 1, 2018 8:10 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968964 by Bon Echo
due to the extrusion process used to make it

Well, that answers my original question. This has generated a lot of interesting discussion though.
Msg: 968973
BBStacker Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: BBStackerProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 2, 2018 6:26 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968967 by Oberon_Kenobi
I'm just about out of all the materials I've purchased in the past and have had thoughts of ordering Tan-Z but after the original posts of the trials of the material I've seen almost none that are overwhelmingly positive. Seems like it's one problem after another.

A question for all you out there that are using this material - is it worth the effort to purchase or should I go to Michael's and buy some pink stuff?

BTW BBStacker makes lots of carving errors and almost "needs" the other side of the material.
Msg: 968974
FORAYCH Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: FORAYCHProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 2, 2018 6:46 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968973 by BBStacker
I have found the material to hold fine details and as much more workable than OZ and more consistent throughout the material than SLQ and current Pink stuff. Also, I like supporting fellow letterboxers and Webfoot is one of the good gals! My vote is order a slab and try it out. If it is not for you, you can hit a local store, but I am guessing once trying the stuff and getting used to it, you will like it (and perhaps mistakes will be fewer in occurrence too with familiarity of the material).

Also the more people experiment with the material, the more likely a technique to use the underside will come through.

Jeff (and his $0.02)
Msg: 968975
mudflinginfools Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: mudflinginfoolsProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 2, 2018 7:09 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968974 by FORAYCH
I have already carved up 2 12x12 sheets of it and find no issues with it other than cutting the stamps apart... you have to be careful as it's like it has a grain to it and if you are cutting across it - you can get hung up and then it lets go - causing the cut to go astray. But carving it is much better than pink any day of the week for me... I hate pink :)
Msg: 968977
DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: DarkZen and Evil Cow PieProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 2, 2018 8:12 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968973 by BBStacker
The Tan is much better than Pink in my opinion. I had only used pink until I tried the Tan. Wow, what a difference! After going through a couple slabs I went back and used the Pink for a donation stamp. It seemed like I was carving mud, ha ha.

I’m not sure it will help with your mistakes but it did with mine. Because it offers more resistance, the carving tools have less of a tendency “slip” into an areas that weren’t meant to be cut. I also like the way it prints much better. Because it’s less “squishy” than pink, I find I get less accidental transfer marks.

I agree that you should get a slab and try it for yourself. I also agree that it’s good to support the community.

DZ
Msg: 968979
Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: Oberon_KenobiProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 2, 2018 9:20 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968973 by BBStacker
A question for all you out there that are using this material - is it worth the effort to purchase or should I go to Michael's and buy some pink stuff?

Tan-Z is more like OZ. I'm not a conosour so it carves the same for me. Others notice a difference.

Let me echo the idea of buying a slab and trying it.
Msg: 968986
Team Awesome Pants Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: Team Awesome PantsProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 2, 2018 11:52 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968973 by BBStacker
Tan-Z - my comments are totally overwhelming positive. I did like the old pink, sure, but am over the moon about this stuff. Yes, it's quite firm and maybe that's why I feel like I can do (for me anyway) more challenging carves, and stamps up dandy with different inks. Light pre-sanding makes a world of difference. And yes, so grateful to Webfoot.
Msg: 968987
Kirbert Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: KirbertProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 2, 2018 12:58 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968973 by BBStacker
...is it worth the effort to purchase or should I go to Michael's and buy some pink stuff?

Why don't you just forget both of those and buy the Japanese stuff?

http://www.stampeaz.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=747
Msg: 968988
DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: DarkZen and Evil Cow PieProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 2, 2018 1:13 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968987 by Kirbert
Why don't you just forget both of those and buy the Japanese stuff?

If that’s a serious recommendation, can you tell us why (the pros and cons)?
Msg: 968992
dancingpecan Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: dancingpecanProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 2, 2018 6:54 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968973 by BBStacker
There is no "One Size Fits All" perfect material, and, to be honest, all of the carving materials have their issues. You have to determine what material works best for you and your carving style. I loved Orange when it was available, but other people hated it. Conversely, I hate using OZ and some people think it's the greatest. Get the smallest piece you can, then try it. If you don't like it, then go back to pink, or try something else. Tan-Z is the new kid and everyone has something to say about it. If you go back to messages posted when OZ came out, you'll probably find everyone giving their opinion on it, and a good bit of those will be negative comments, but people learned to like it.

dp
Msg: 969001
BBStacker Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: BBStackerProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 3, 2018 5:18 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968987 by Kirbert
buy the Japanese stuff

I bought a slab of both types from Webfoot and liked one of them. The other was way too soft and I couldn't get favorable quality lettering with it. Sadly I can't remember which one was a bit more firm. But I was thinking as you are and thought I'd post the question on Tan-Z before making a decision.
Msg: 969002
BBStacker Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: BBStackerProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 3, 2018 5:20 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968986 by Team Awesome Pants
Thanks for all the replies everyone. Seeing such positive comments convinces me that I should give this new material a shot.
Msg: 969011
Kirbert Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: KirbertProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 3, 2018 10:56 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968988 by DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie
If that’s a serious recommendation, can you tell us why (the pros and cons)?

I only tried an early prototype of the tan stuff, but I didn't care for it at all. I prefer pink. But the Japanese stuff is some of the best carving material I've ever carved. It is soft -- even the "harder" version is still softer than most materials we're familiar with -- but the softness just makes it stamp really well! It carves like a dream. The problem used to be getting ahold of it without paying exorbitant shipping rates from Japan, but Webfoot now carries it solving that problem. Admittedly it's not cheap, but it'll be the only stuff I buy as long as it's available.
Msg: 969017
paper trail Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: paper trailProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 3, 2018 11:43 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969011 by Kirbert
I agree - I'm a complete convert from SLQ to the Japanese SEED (thanks, Rebiccola!).
Msg: 969031
aMAZEing adventure frog Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: aMAZEing adventure frogProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 3, 2018 2:52 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969011 by Kirbert
what is the name of it on Stampeaz?
Msg: 969033
PI Joe Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: PI JoeProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 3, 2018 3:15 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969031 by aMAZEing adventure frog
what is the name of it on Stampeaz?

Tan-Z Kut
Msg: 969034
Bon Echo Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: Bon EchoProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 3, 2018 3:20 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969031 by aMAZEing adventure frog
Kirbert provided a link to the product page in his initial post
https://www.atlasquest.com/boards/message.php?msgId=968987
Msg: 969058
Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: WebfootProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 4, 2018 6:47 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968961 by Oberon_Kenobi
What makes the texture is the extrusion process. It would have cost a *lot* more to have them totally retool the machine for my batch and as it was, I was able to piggy back onto the set-up for another material they made for a different customer and cut the set-up fee out of the cost of the run, too. The decision to leave it one-sided was mainly an economic one. And, since the original PZ had crimps on the back from the machines, too, I figured people could live with it for a lower cost material.

Also, I've been toying with an interesting idea for the back side of the material - it's on my list of things to play with when I carve my next multi-layer image. I thought it might make a really nice texture for shading. It's like it's already stippled and ready to give that intermediate shadow between white and black (or any other color) when printing. I think it could be pretty cool. Stay tuned! Or, if you beat me to the experiment, let us know how it works!

Webfoot
Msg: 969062
DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: DarkZen and Evil Cow PieProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 4, 2018 7:11 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969058 by Webfoot
Ooo.. now there’s an idea!
Msg: 969066
aMAZEing adventure frog Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: aMAZEing adventure frogProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 4, 2018 9:04 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969034 by Bon Echo
Found it. Ordered some. Thanks.
Msg: 969069
Wise Wanderer Subject: Re: Tan-Z Pattern
Author: Wise WandererProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 4, 2018 9:51 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969062 by DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie
Atlas Quest: International Letterboxing
As someone else said, carving is an individual skill. We all use different tools, different techniques, and have various limitations, preferences, and experience levels. The service that Stampeaz/Webfoot provides, is to make and offer a variety of materials, so virtually anyone can make SOMETHING work for them. I join in thanking her for great work!!
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