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But what else did we learn from the DC poll?

Insightful points, MoWiz. I agree on all points. I think the point about respect and value of other people's artistic creation is the most important point of all; just as I want folks to respect my plbs. I assume that we all put a part of ourselves into each plb, and the way I can respect them is to take time with each one. I have to admit that I don't like plbs that are quickly thrown together and not made with care. Sloppy logbooks and/or carelessly carved stamps doesn't show respect to me or the other ring participants, in my view.

You all know that I don't care to use DC, but will if it is requested. I think most feel the same. However, I think the way we can show the most respect is if we care for the plbs that come to us just as we want others to treat our own. I like to hear that people enjoyed my creation - so that's what I tell people about the plbs that I see. I like it when folks move my plbs along in a timely manner - so that's what I do. I like to read comments and personal tidbits when I receive my logbooks home - so I try to add those things to the postals that I am privileged to see. I like it when people log finding my postal and add a little bit whether they liked it or not (preferably not!) - so I always log my finds with a short, positive comment. None of this is difficult, but it is respectful. And I believe all these things are part of the commitment and responsibility that comes with asking for artists to send their stuff to you.

And, one more thing. I'm 'tired' of when this postal board is used as a 'complaint box' or whining arena. It just makes us all feel bad. Building up achieves far more than tearing down, in my opinion. So, if you have an issue with one of your postal rings, or whatever, please contact that person privately. Or, if you need help, there are plenty of 'veterans' out here that would be willing to lend assistance. Bottom line: I'd like this part of lbing to stay positive.

OK, let the flaming begin,
~SHH :-)

I learned that I am in good company! 8-)

I learned that I should not feel alone in my opinions just because they are different from the prevailing comments on the message boards.

I already knew, but hope others learned, that these message boards, while often helpful, should not be considered the be-all, end-all information source on "the right way," whatever that means. Broadening one's horizons through research is a good thing: private messages with experienced boxers, other groups (*gasp!*), and the Wiki are other sources of info to absorb. One might argue (and some have) that those things take too much time. I disagree--it's better to take a little more time beforehand and know what you're getting yourself into rather than to regret some things later.

8-)
Booknut

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And, one more thing. I'm 'tired' of when this postal board is used as a 'complaint box' or whining arena. It just makes us all feel bad. Building up achieves far more than tearing down, in my opinion. So, if you have an issue with one of your postal rings, or whatever, please contact that person privately. Or, if you need help, there are plenty of 'veterans' out here that would be willing to lend assistance. Bottom line: I'd like this part of lbing to stay positive.

OK, let the flaming begin,
~SHH :-)

I'm sure this wasn't completely directed toward me, but I have been known to come here for support from like-minded individuals. We can't always be sunshine and smiles, and our friends understand that. You're post against complaints sounds ironically like complaining. ;)

I do believe you're right about airing dirty laundry on the boards. Specifics should be kept to private communications.

Thanks,
LG.

I didn't read that it was directed at anyone specific, but one must admit that this particular board has been pretty negative of late. Let's face it, some people here are friends, and some are not. We cannot assume that everyone on the postal board is going to be in agreement all the time, and that's just a fact of life. If a person disagrees, then that's their prerogative and does not necessarily mean personal offense is meant.

To someone who is new, or is not a friend or in someone's particular circle, and therefore may not know what's going on to prompt the more cloudy, frowny posts, it must seem pretty intimidating.

This is all quite saddening.

Booknut

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Some people do not mind if their PLB gets lost.

Some people do mind if their PLB gets lost.

If you don't mind, don't use or request delivery confirmation.

If you do mind, I would suggest marking your PLB with "USE DELIVERY CONFIRMATION" and hopefully the receivers will respect that.

This is an extremely black vs. white way of looking at this, implying that people who do not use DC do not care whether the PLBs get lost. I care very much, and I do not use DC (unless requested, of course).

I think it would be difficult, if not impossible, to find someone who does not care if PLBs get lost (black holes notwithstanding). I believe it is a faulty comparison.

Regarding the respect thing, I would like for others to respect me and my reputation by trusting that I will take care of their PLBs as if they were my own, and to trust my word that I will mail in a timely manner and according to the wishes of the owner. My word is good, and those who respect me know this. In turn, I will trust others. If mailing problems arise, I will write private notes rather than airing things on the board, and I will understand that sometimes, stuff just happens and that most people mean well.

Booknut

p.s. I have found myself deleting at least half of what I write lately on the boards (usually before even submitting it), because I worry about what I say publicly. I am nervous about this one, but I just feel like it needs to be said.

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This is an extremely black vs. white way of looking at this, implying that people who do not use DC do not care whether the PLBs get lost. I care very much, and I do not use DC (unless requested, of course).

I think it would be difficult, if not impossible, to find someone who does not care if PLBs get lost (black holes notwithstanding). I believe it is a faulty comparison.

Regarding the respect thing, I would like for others to respect me and my reputation by trusting that I will take care of their PLBs as if they were my own, and to trust my word that I will mail in a timely manner and according to the wishes of the owner. My word is good, and those who respect me know this. In turn, I will trust others. If mailing problems arise, I will write private notes rather than airing things on the board, and I will understand that sometimes, stuff just happens and that most people mean well.

Booknut

p.s. I have found myself deleting at least half of what I write lately on the boards (usually before even submitting it), because I worry about what I say publicly. I am nervous about this one, but I just feel like it needs to be said.

Until someone like me comes in and copies it for a quote, thus making it not possible for you to delete, because you're absolutely right. Also, because I know you trust me not to change up the wording in your quote as some people have been known to do.

All very good points, Booknut!


Perhaps I trust the USPS more than most people.

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On top of that, I never said that people who don't use DC for their own PLBs don't care if they are lost.

Not exactly, but you do lead us to that conclusion.

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Subject: Re: What did we learn from the DC Poll?
Author: The Land Pirates
Date: Apr 27, 2007 1:34 PM
Message Id: 88646
Some people do not mind if their PLB gets lost.

Some people do mind if their PLB gets lost.

If you don't mind, don't use or request delivery confirmation.

If you do mind, I would suggest marking your PLB with "USE DELIVERY CONFIRMATION" and hopefully the receivers will respect that.

Also, starting similar themed rings, without having consulted the ringleader that threw out the idea, at the same time is just rude.

Smooth the ruffed feathers lady bugs, we're all on the same flippin' team with PLB on the back of our jerseys. The land lubbers who do not approve of plbing must take delight in this type o' hooplacaca.

quote}}Smooth the ruffed feathers lady bugs, we're all on the same flippin' team with PLB on the back of our jerseys.{{/quote

I didn't think lady bugs had feathers.

Hmm.

:D

CQ (who misses the days when PLBs weren't potential heart attacks)

I don't have time for this nonsense. There is a thing called "inference," which means reading the implied meaning in a person's words based upon the context. Based upon your words, I made the inference--and the intended one, I believe, regardless of what you now say--that you believe that people who do not use DC do not care about PLBs.

And unlike you, I'll now be true to my word and say nothing more on this ridiculous thread.

Booknut

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Whatever that's supposed to mean, mowizliz. I have not even had a chance to know you, never been in a ring with you, never probably even commented on the same thread as you... nor do I hope to.

If you really have something you want to say to me, why don't you just email? I'll gladly reply to you around 3:30. :o)

Why don't you try re-reading it, this time without your fangs bared. Here it is again for your reading pleasure.

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The land lubbers who do not approve of plbing must take delight in this type o' hooplacaca.

Now, who could the land lubbers be who do not approve of plbs?

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I have not even had a chance to know you,

been lots of opportunities

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never been in a ring with you,

Really? That surprises me.

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never probably even commented on the same thread as you...

Really? That too surprises me.

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nor do I hope to.

You're so funny.

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quote}}Smooth the ruffed feathers lady bugs, we're all on the same flippin' team with PLB on the back of our jerseys.{{/quote

Quote schizophrenia, CQ? =)

I changed my defaults to use the wiki-style formatting, but I gotta say, I keep typing the old styled quotes out of habit. It's gonna take me some time to break that habit!

Be gentile if I inadvertently use the wrong style quotes in a post or AQ mail. ;o)

On another note--another good reason to use quotes that did not exist before--they're stripped from the summary view of the messages so you can actually read the content instead of the reply.

Not really important for people to know, but I figured I'd throw it out there for anyone who was interested in hearing about it.

-- Ryan

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So, have fun bashing me on the boards.

No! This is not allowed. There has been enough discussion, and it seems that it is not changing anyone's mind. Nor does it seem particularly productive. So why don't we all step back, take a deep breath and come back with more pleasant topics. Ok? :)

TG

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So, I forfeit any further comment. I owe mowizliz an apology and they don't owe me anything... according to those of you that have emailed me.

Really, why in the world do you or anyone think you owe me an apology? That's not sarcasm in the previous sentence, more like bewilderment.

Hey, and LP, I know what your big honking sig stamp looks like. ;-p

Based upon your words, I made the inference--and the intended one, I believe, regardless of what you now say--that you believe that people who do not use DC do not care about PLBs.

They're entitled to their opinion too, even if you don't agree with them. There's nothing inherently wrong to believe that people who do not use DC do not care about PLBs. If that's the way you feel, that's the way you feel.

Of course, we must train such people to learn that DC is evil and a ploy to take money out of the pockets of unsuspecting postal boxers. ;o)

But seriously, postal letterboxes are much like regular letterboxes. They go missing occasionally, and you need to develop a certain "what happens, happens" kind of attitude. If you get involved with them, some of them will end up in a black hole, possibly never to be seen again. Go into it knowing that and it'll be much easier to pick up and move on. No, it's not a desirable outcome, but you're just setting yourself up for disappointment if you think it won't happen to you. Send them out with the expectation you'll never see it again, and then it's just a nice surprise when (if?) it does come back. =)

-- Ryan

Quote schizophrenia, CQ? =)

I changed my defaults to use the wiki-style formatting, but I gotta say, I keep typing the old styled quotes out of habit. It's gonna take me some time to break that habit!}}

Oopsie. For some reason, when I read your post on how to do the quotes using wiki-style, my brain went 'Oh, the carrot brackets become { {'s and } }'s instead! I get it!'.

Stupid brain. the italics and bold don't look like that! the b's and i's aren't there anymore! So why would the 'quote''s still be there? *rigorously reprimands brain, a la CAD style (demonstrated below for your convienence, brought to you by AQ vision!)*

CQ (ending his schizophrenia now if that's ok with everyone :D)

Boy this is tiresome. Funny in a perverse way for the onlookers, but tiresome.

No, I will not stop. Because you have made a mountain out of absolutely nothing. Apparently, you have not gone back to reread the thread. Whatever you think "I know what your big honking sig stamp looks like" means and however that gets twisted into stooping so low as to bring small children into this, which you did - not me - is something that is open to interpretation known only to you, Land Pirates. Honking in midwest vernacular, especially in conjunction with "big" as in BIG HONKIN' means big, like WOW! big! Like when you get a big honkin' potato at a steakhouse. I've taken the time to know what your stamp is, to read comments in a logbook, to get to know the plbers.

You post vitrolicism out here in public, but then tell me to take it to email. No. There is nothing to take to email. There never was. Was there any email from you to me asking about clarification? No? Of course not. Take a breath and check the facts before having such a meltdown. There was no need for you to apologize to me, as was said earlier.

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I am not a person that gets joy from hurting others.

Good to know!

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Best of life to you,
~ MMBT

Thanks, its pretty swell.

btw, that's good info to have Ryan and CQ. Looking forward to rereading and figuring out the ins and outs.

MWL

Don't ever make a comment about my family like that again.

I mean with all due respect, but I didn't see anything to that effect in the post. A big honking stamp just means it big--it says nothing about it's quality or that kids are involved. I've carved a few big honking stamps myself (though I keep my signature stamp small for the logbooks).

It's not an insult. Really. =)

-- Ryan

Ahhhh!!!!!!!!

Why do I feel like I'm reading on the big yahoo list.

And this used to be such a nice neighborhood. :(

What's all quite saddening? :) I think it's a good thing that you can come to these boards on a bad day and get support. :) I also think it's a good thing that people aren't expected to act happy when they are upset.:) Then we can all clear things up. :) <-- see how unsad I'm trying to be? ;) <-- that one even has a wink. :D <-- that one has teeth!

The Gertrude tail turned out quite nice! It was a double good thing because I couldn't quite fit her on the one piece of PZ I had left. :)

LG.

Hi, LibraryGrrl! 8-)
I'm responding privately!
Booknut

I'm really scratching my head over this one.

I knew that phrasing sounded familiar:
http://www.atlasquest.com/boards/message.html?gMsgId=79259;gAuthorId=1168

I didn't know I insulted my family with that post about my big stamp. Sorry, family.

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I'm really scratching my head over this one.

I knew that phrasing sounded familiar:
http://www.atlasquest.com/boards/message.html?gMsgId=79259;gAuthorId=1168

I didn't know I insulted my family with that post about my big stamp. Sorry, family.

Me, too! I always thought of the word honkin' as funny. I hope they didn't take it as a racial thing or something...! :-(

Jeez... that was a very entertaining blow up! and I only got to read half of it:(

I have yet to get returns on my first postal boxes, but I've signed up for a bunch and I have no desire to pull out of postals, despite all the claws and teeth in this posting board. Its like stamps are people's babies.

Claudia

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messages with experienced boxers, other groups (*gasp!*),

What? What is this thing you speak of? Say it's not so! I did once hear of another group, but it was a myth. *nodding* Turns out they were the same group in disguise!

Tee the tired