So maybe my sentiments have some weight. :)

My butt has a lot of weight. Does that count? LOL i crack myself up

deniserows
and giggles

Sorry I meant to delete that - it came out a bit terse. But I do think that they should not feel excluded or talked about behind their back. So it would only seem right if they are made aware of this discussion so they can reply (when they get back from the trail).

why on earth hide your own Finds?

Because some people don't want folks to know their travel itinerary(?)

As for logging finds, that seems to me to be for the sole interest of those who want to keep an online record. I'm way too lazy to spend the time doing the data entry. It means nothing to me. However, I always want to get those charming notes from finders of my letterboxes. I never respond to an impersonal status report. I always try to correspond with those who are polite enough to write me when they find one of my letterboxes. I have made a number of good acquaintances via such communications.

After all, this hobby began on the moors of Dartmoor with self addressed postal cards left in a jar. Folks wrote notes and sent them on to the originator. Let's keep this tradition alive with the modern tool of email. BTW I receive wonderful notes all the time from all over the US (two today.) This is one of the best parts of letterboxing.

Funhog (first box placed August 1, 2001)

I always try to correspond with those who are polite enough to write me when they find one of my letterboxes. I have made a number of good acquaintances via such communications.

While there is much back and forth about logging vs. not logging on line, I think Funhog hit upon the real key for many of us. I just checked our online log to see the list of those that have logged their finds of our boxes. There were a bunch of boxes that were logged and about 1/2 of those were cases where we received notes from the finders.

We (D&G) love receiving notes from finders as it not only lets us know the status of the box, but it ,momentarily and mentally, takes us immediately back to the location of the plant.
Looking at the logged entries is just less personal and does not seem to have that contact that we enjoy.

In the earlier days prior to online logging here and at LbNA there seemed to be more communication. (Okay I know eyes are rolling and some are waiting for the trite stories from the old fart)
The logging aspect took away those reports on the main LbNA chatlist as well as some of the regional lists. There seems to be less reason to post a notice on a board or chatlist and also less reason to send a personal note to a planter. Why send a note when a find can be logged in?

When ever this topic gets hashed again, and again you should consider what you as a planter would rather have...a personal note, or a log entry on your online logbook.

I know we consider ourselves lucky to be in Funhog's acquaintances circle and that came from writing not from logging. That is right isn't it Hog? isn't it? huh?

Beat you by 8 months, neener, neener.

Don

In the earlier days prior to online logging here and at LbNA there seemed to be more communication.

More communication than this? Surely you jest! I can barely keep up with these boards!

Why send a note when a find can be logged in?

Gee, I dunno about others, but for me logging a find is a note to the planter.

Still, I could easily see an argument that letterboxing is all about non-communication! Arguably, none of us should have any communication with each other at all. You're supposed to collect clues -- without necessarily even knowing who provided them -- and follow them to discover a hidden stash without ever conversing with anyone else on the subject. And the only way to even know there are others involved is by reading through the previous finders in the log book.

It's as though letterboxing has been affected by modern technology -- pretty much the same way everything else has. Whether or not this is a good thing probably depends on whether you're an old fart who thinks the modern world is for the birds or whether you're the type of person who enjoys twittering.

* Please reclose the Lock & Lock with the lid right-side-up.

Perhaps reverse psychology is in order:

* By all means, take the stamp with you. If you want to leave some crappy McToy in its place, go for it.

* If it's too difficult for you to properly open the seal on the baggies, just rip them open.

* If you have a HH with you that won't fit into the container, just cram it in. Don't worry if the lid won't close properly.

* When done, just scatter the container and contents in the bushes somewhere nearby. Nobody's ever gonna want to find this box again anyway.

* You're welcome to log your find on AQ, but don't send any comments to the owner. He doesn't wanna hear from your kind.

There seems to be less reason to post a notice on a board or chatlist and also less reason to send a personal note to a planter. Why send a note when a find can be logged in?

I can't really say that I've noticed more or less people sending me personal notes than before. Most people didn't send notes then nor did they report their finds on a board or chatlist--the difference back then was that when someone did find your box but didn't report it--you never knew it. =) Now that people can send a find report without including a note, you're more likely to notice the 'lack' of the personal message.

I actually turned that off in my options on Atlas Quest. I found myself not really caring about the find reports that had no notes attached, so I don't get them anymore. Before I did that, I'd guess that maybe about half of the find reports had personal notes attached. Now they ALL do! Woo-who! =)

-- Ryan

I know we consider ourselves lucky to be in Funhog's acquaintances circle and that came from writing not from logging.

Got you fooled, don't I? Honestly, the friends I've made because of letterboxing has been one of the biggest suprises that came along with the hobby. It's actually been life-changing. In my artsy circle I would've never met an Intel engineer, a public bus driver (or two,) a card-toting NRA member, an East Coast builder, a retired geologist... I might've met a flight attendant, financial adviser, a Honda mechanic, a nurse... but our hobby brought these and MANY others into my realm, some of whom I consider my best friends.

More communication than this? Surely you jest! I can barely keep up with these boards!

The communication on the boards is public, for all to read. Yes, there's lots of it here but it's not of the same personal nature as private email. I've made initial contact with some of my letterboxing acquaintances on a public board but the friendships have grown privately. Like Don, I miss the personal touch of an actual note about someone's finds, rather than a computer-generated found report.

I actually turned that off in my options on Atlas Quest. I found myself not really caring about the find reports that had no notes attached...

Didn't know that was an option - learn something new every day!
Can I go home now? ;o)

HPL

Must be from all your rowing!

hee hee hee

KuKu
you cracked me up, too!

Happy Monday, Hufflepuff Lost!

KuKu
feeling the same way. How did I end up here in this office? Why can't I be home with a cup of tea, a good book and an opportunity to snooooozzzzze. . . .

There seems to be less reason to .... send a personal note to a planter. Why send a note when a find can be logged in?

That baffles me. Maybe it's a regional thing, but this is the opposite for me. Those that don't log their finds also don't comment. I think they prefer to remain private.

Gee, I dunno about others, but for me logging a find is a note to the planter.

It's just a simple notice that it's been found recently. Some planters may or may not care about that.

As for whether or not you get comments, it may be more of a regional thing.

I actually get comments on MOST of my find reports. If I get comments at all they are 99% of the time through AQ and my boxes are all listed on both sites. So, IMO, AQ has actually encouraged and increased private comments on boxes.

There are so few boxers in Oklahoma I am just happy to get a notice that someone found it

I get more notices on my boxes I left in NC than I do in OK.

GG

why one would want to require online find reports

I don't think he or anyone has suggesting "requring" it, just concened tha tW&Ps influence may dter people from logging who otherwise might. Was pointing out that some planters really like to get the online listing.

I remember being a wee bit sad recently checking on my first plant- right near my house- and seeing that a little girl with same first name as mine kid, and close in age, had found it but not logged in- not a member on either LBNA or AQ. It would have been so fun to make contact with her, maybe the girls could even go LBing together.

I don't get the concept that the suprise is lost because you don't go to log on line until you already have found a box and seen the stamps. If planetr has chosen to Hide Finds on the box's log (not same as Hide Finds on their personal log) there is still 100% suprise as to who has found that box before.

Suzi

My butt has a lot of weight

No it doesn't Denise, I've seen you in real life. Don't lie to these nice people. (Or even the un nice ones LOLOL)
Anyway just remember: "muscle weighs more than fat."

Try it like a mantra. "muscle weighs more than fat..muscle weighs more than fat."

you only wished to hear responses from people who actually hid their finds.

But I *didn't* only want to hear from Hiders. *Sigh*. Ya still not getting it. Listen again, a little more carefully this time. I wanted to know why *some* people see an advantage to Hide and *some* people see disadvantage to hide. Neutral question.

name-calling--characterizing those who disagree with you

I was not taking any position whether one 'should' or 'shuould not' Hide or whetehr that should or should not be an option-, so there wasn't any "disagreeing with me", except for disagreeing that I even should ask the question. Considering the level of interest the question has received seems like it was worth asking.

As to the negativity, I think Don calling me manic after one of my earliest posts.. and reading some of the nasty things written by a few other members that are totally unconnected to me or my threads- demonstrate there was quite enough of the negativity on these boards long before I came (also confirmed for me by Ryan).. and I am sure there would be plenty to go around if I don't post.

You might prefer to pretend all was hunky dory before Suzi came along and stirred things up, but that really would not be honest, now would it?

My butt has a lot of weight

No it doesn't Denise, I've seen you in real life. Don't lie to these nice people. (Or even the un nice ones LOLOL)
Anyway just remember: "muscle weighs more than fat."

Denise, I believe you've just been told you have a fat butt.

Shiloh

SuziLivvi: Anyway just remember: "muscle weighs more than fat."

Shiloh: Denise, I believe you've just been told you have a fat butt.

Nope, she's been told she has a heavy butt. LOL

Knit Wit

Denise, I believe you've just been told you have a fat butt.

HEY!!! who hit the agree button!

deniserows
to get rid of her bodacious booty

HEY!!! who hit the agree button!

I did... I didn't agree that you had a fat butt, only that you had been told you have a fat butt!!

BIG difference (no pun intended).

HPL
*who makes it standard policy to not look at the butt of another woman and therefore has no opinion on your butt!*

My butt has a lot of weight

Got it wrong (again)

Actually, DENISE said she had a fat, er, "weighty" butt and I was trying to tell her it *wasn't*. bad. Not fat, muscles. Muscles are good. Muscles from climbing hills planting boxes, from rowing whaleboats etc.

Muscles from climbing hills planting boxes, from rowing whaleboats etc.

Yes, but muscle is still heavier than fat so therefore I maintain that you told her she had a heavy butt. Yes, lots of muscle but heavy. ROFLOL

Knit Wit, who's just having fun here and hopes neither deniserows nor SuziLivvi are taking exception to the teasing :-)

I normally assume that the fault is mine when I can't find a box.

I think that depends on the situation. There have been a few times where I found remnants of a moldy log book, or an empty duct taped altoids tin; and a clear indentation and scattered SPOR where the clue was pretty darn clear. I still say "I 'm sorry but I *think* it *may* have gone missing.." just to make the news a little less harsh..not beacuase I assume it's likely I'm wrong.

But often I am really not clear I had the right place, and I'll say so- and explain what seemed ambiguous to me, where I might have gone wrong. Was I supposed to be facing the waterfall, or with my back to it?

I recently went for a brand new series. The First Finders got 5 out of 6 but reported #1 was missing. I know they are experienced people, and even if one is a bit grinchy, she makes up for it with her poetry. So I was not suprised when I found what was almost certainly the correct location, with a scattered SPOR right near the clue-indicated concrete slab. Of course it was still possible I was wrong so I described the location in detail.

But if I go to look for a box in the hollow of a 20 foot dead oak tree in a small sloping uphill meadow next to a landmark memorial bench for Dr Joe; and I see the remnants of said tree sawed up and stacked by the side of the trail.. I don't think I am wrong. It wasn't any dead tree in any meadow, it was that one next to Dr Joe's memorial bench. Of course I still might poke around the pile of logs hoping teh box is still stuck in a hollow..but.. it wasn't a wrong location on my part, for sure.

Got it wrong (again)

I copy and pasted your post so you're the one that got it wrong.

Shiloh

You cut and pasted DENISE saying she has a weighty posterior, PLUS my reply saying no, really it's not that bad. You cut and pasted two people's dialogue and thought it was me alone.

Go back and check. Then 'fess up, like a good girl!

My butt has a lot of weight. Does that count? LOL i crack myself up

deniserows
and giggles

In case you could not find the original post.

There seems to be less reason to post a notice on a board or chatlist and also less reason to send a personal note to a planter. Why send a note when a find can be logged in?

I disagree there is any less reason, because there are different reasons for the two actions. Logging is for me to keep track and also, more incidentally, to let finder (and others, if not hidden) know current status.

Sending a note is to talk about condition and just general thanks- log full, landmark gone, thanks for showing us a fabulous spot, great carve. Maybe something cool we saw along the trail.

Then 'fess up, like a good girl!

That'll be hard for shiloh to do. You haven't checked the sig stamp picture on shiloh's profile, have you? ;-)

Hi, shiloh!!!

Knit wit

fess up, like a good girl

First of all I can't fess up like a girl because I'm a guy.

Second, I know it was two different persons posts....but you had copied it to your post then replied to it. So I copied them both to show the context of your post.

I don't see any thing for me to fess up to.

Now, will you admit to being wrong?

Shiloh