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Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #596737 by bluebirdlover
Apr 3, 2011 1:24pm
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I only carve one at a time, also spending a great deal of time choosing and manipulating an image. I have Photoshop. But there are some great, free, online tools that will to the same thing.

I almost never finish in one sitting. It can take me months to complete an image, but if I take actual carving time into account, my stamps usually take between 15 and 40 hours to complete.

I also no longer consider myself a 'knife' or 'gouge' carver. I use whatever tool is better for what I'm trying to carve.

It's super interesting to me to learn how different all of our techniques are!

~RW
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Reply to: #596899 by RavenWolf
Apr 3, 2011 1:50pm
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It's super interesting to me to learn how different all of our techniques are!

Yes! I had an idea a while ago, that it would be fun if a bunch of us took short videos of ourselves carving. I haven't quite figured out how to do it myself yet, as the magnifying light is in the way. But I would so love to watch y'all carve.
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Reply to: #596876 by WalkinOrange
Apr 3, 2011 2:08pm
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How does mounting stamps change the way it stamps? (I just thought it made it a little easier to stamp or kept it from breaking)
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Reply to: #596862 by Kirbert
Apr 3, 2011 2:30pm
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Go ahead, tell us how many words. I'm betting it wasn't just three words in size 72 font.

Over 100 incorporated into an image. It's a big map of an area.
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Reply to: #596864 by Kirbert
Apr 3, 2011 2:50pm
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Wally World for $1.50 each

We are not Fla. The blankets sell out here and no close-outs. This yard is a lifetime supply for me. Kirbert, you carve many more stamps than I.
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Reply to: #596906 by EmcSquared
Apr 3, 2011 4:41pm
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When a stamp is not mounted, the weight of your hand is not evenly distributed across the rubber and wherever you push is likely to be darker than the rest of the image. Also, if you have a few "gorpkins" of rubber that are not carved out all the way, they are likely to stamp even though you don't want them to. If you mount a stamp with thick foam or wood, the weight of the pressure from your hand is more evenly distributed and the chance at stamping "gorpkins" is lessened. I always clean the white area as much as possible, then I mount on thick foam, stamp, and continue cleaning out the gorpkins until I'm satisfied.
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Reply to: #596922 by Dizzy
Apr 3, 2011 4:49pm
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{{a few "gorpkins" of rubber}]

gorpkins???
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Reply to: #596925 by Baqash
Apr 3, 2011 4:52pm
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gorpkins???

Made up word, sorry. My Freshman English teacher used it to describe the torn bits of paper on the side of spiral notebook paper. He insisted that all papers turned in didn't have any gorpkins, so we were expected to cut them off if we used spiral bound paper. Since then, I've always used the word to describe bits of something unwanted that you had to get rid of, just like the bits of paper. =)
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Reply to: #596928 by Dizzy
Apr 3, 2011 4:56pm
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I knew what you meant, just wanted to see you explain it.
Great word.
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Reply to: #596882 by Dizzy
Apr 3, 2011 9:01pm
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That means all of the snow had to be cleaned out with the smaller gouge, which took a long time.

This is where knife carving is so much faster than gouge carving. I probably could have carved that image, from transfer to stamping, in 30-40 minutes, tops.

I love my x-acto knife. :)

GJ
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Reply to: #596899 by RavenWolf
Apr 3, 2011 9:03pm
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I also no longer consider myself a 'knife' or 'gouge' carver. I use whatever tool is better for what I'm trying to carve.

Yep, me too. But if I was stranded on a desert island, and had to choose between the knife and the gouge, the knife would win out.

I always start out my stamps carving with the knife, and then use other tools (gouge, needle, etc.) as the carving situation requires.

GJ
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Reply to: #596882 by Dizzy
Apr 3, 2011 10:58pm
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Unfortunately, the giant U-shaped gouge can make the cuts too deep, thereby making the "structural integrity" of your lines at risk.

OK, please explain that better. I regularly use my Speedball #5 to dig so deep that the tips of the U are barely out of the rubber -- but admittedly I'm not actually carving anything at the time, I'm just clearing out big white areas with the edges already established.
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Reply to: #596905 by frykitty
Apr 3, 2011 11:02pm
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I had an idea a while ago, that it would be fun if a bunch of us took short videos of ourselves carving. I haven't quite figured out how to do it myself yet, as the magnifying light is in the way.

I tried it once with my Canon PowerShot A560 which has a nifty video mode, but it wouldn't focus close enough. I could have provided a nice video of a guy hunched over a desk doing something. I still think there's gotta be a way somehow, I just dunno how to use the full capabilities of the camera.
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Reply to: #596906 by EmcSquared
Apr 3, 2011 11:12pm
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How does mounting stamps change the way it stamps?

Properly mounting a stamp makes all the difference! The idea is to provide a layer of soft, squishy foam behind the rubber and a rigid backing behind that. Assembled in this manner, stamping pressure applied to the rigid backing is distributed uniformly over the area of the stamp.

It's pretty easy to demonstrate the difference for yourself. Carve a stamp and stamp some images with it unmounted. Then mount it, and stamp with it again. See how the images compare. With the proper three-layer assembly, the images always end up noticeably crisper and cleaner than unmounted.

That said, there are lots of examples of "mounting" that accomplish little or even make things worse. Mounting rubber directly onto wood makes things worse, it's very difficult to get a good image. Mounting rubber onto Fun Foam doesn't help the stamp image any (Fun Foam is too rigid, there's no appreciable give when stamping), but it does help protect the stamp as well as make it easier for the stamper to grip. And, as many here like to point out, an unmounted stamp is arguably easier to work with "in the field", as a mounted stamp truly requires a rigid flat stamping surface to work on while the unmounted stamps may be stamped reasonably well on a knee or somebody's back or whatever.
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Reply to: #596911 by figureeight
Apr 3, 2011 11:14pm
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We are not Fla.

Good point! They probably ship x blankets to every Wally World, and here in FL they go unsold until they discount them heavily.
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Reply to: #596932 by Baqash
Apr 3, 2011 11:16pm
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So, do we need to see "gorpkins" added to the glossary?
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Reply to: #596860 by Kirbert
Apr 4, 2011 5:06am
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I saw an X-Acto knife on sale at Wally World the other day for $2. Didn't buy it, didn't need it. X-Acto also has another type handle available at Wally World, it's got the clamping knob way down at the butt end of the handle rather than up next to the blade.

Thanks for sharing this information. It actully made me stop and take a closer look at the handles of my knives. One of the handles in my knife set has a round end and I was able to FINALLY find a handle strong enough to hold my vet needles! Last night I had a blast learning to carve with the needles. What a difference those make!

So...thank you, thank you, thank you for taking the time to write back and helping me problem solve my carving area. I never gave the handles of the X-Acto knives a thought because I thought their ends were all the same.

Tri-Colored Paws
P.S. I tried the razor knife for the first time the other night and loved how sturdy and easy it was. Now to practice precision!
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Reply to: #596925 by Baqash
Apr 4, 2011 5:31am
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gorpkins
The base word is "gorp" - good ole raisins and peanuts. Just a reminder I taught Physical Education not English.
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Reply to: #596992 by Kirbert
Apr 4, 2011 6:48am
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OK, please explain that better. I regularly use my Speedball #5 to dig so deep that the tips of the U are barely out of the rubber -- but admittedly I'm not actually carving anything at the time, I'm just clearing out big white areas with the edges already established.

When I scoop out the big white areas, the white parts are shallower and when you press down on the stamp, there's less thickness to keep the weight of your pressure evenly distributed. It seems like the problem is that when I make the first pass, it cuts fine. I make another pass close to it and that is fine. But there often ends up being a raised area between the 2 passes that is not fine, so I then take the gouge and scoop that out, too. Now the rubber is much thinner there and the weight is already not going to be even, but then I stamp the image and now I've got areas between the three cuts that are stamping when they shouldn't, so now I have to cut more. Seems like a never ending problem.

What I've started doing is using the larger gouge when I can and just barely taking any swipes at it. It ends up being maybe just twice as big cuts as if I'd used the smaller one. Then I stamp and when I find the raised areas that are stamping and shouldn't, I still need to take the smaller gouge to clean up the gorpkins. No matter if I use the big gouge or not, I'm always using the small gouge for the main cleanup.

Seems like when I carve, the only time it would save time to use the big gouge is when there are huge amounts of white area, and when that happens, you already have a hard enough time keeping the white area from stamping inadvertently. If I mounted on wood, it would be less of a problem, but I mount on foam so I have to be more careful about cleanup in the white area. Too shallow makes ink gorpkins on the image. Too deep still makes ink gorpkins on the image.
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Reply to: #597004 by Tri-Colored Paws
Apr 4, 2011 6:49am
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For some reason I thought the Razor knife and the Xaxto knife were the same thing. Where would I find a Razor knife? Or does that need to be made up special?
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Reply to: #597010 by figureeight
Apr 4, 2011 6:53am
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My guess is that one of Mr. Dale's former students added that to urban dictionary. Back when I was a freshman, the world wide web wasn't even a glimmer in our eyes and the only dictionary was the big "bug squasher" that was kept on a shelf.
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Reply to: #597029 by Okie Dog
Apr 4, 2011 7:37am
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Where would I find a Razor knife? Or does that need to be made up special?

I had to Google it to see exactly what a razor knife was myself. I also thought they were the same as the X-acto until I started looking around. What I happen to grab the other night, my daughter calls a "box cutter". It does have the razor and it is a knife. I still could be using the term wrong but that's what I used and I LOVED it.

Now to sit back and see what others call a razor knife. That will be interesting. Google came up with a lot of knives.
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Reply to: #597049 by Tri-Colored Paws
Apr 4, 2011 7:56am
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tcp that is what I would call a razor knife too
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Reply to: #596861 by Kirbert
Apr 4, 2011 8:37am
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I don't find it tedious at all, wonder what you guys are talking about. After inking and stamping once, I just grab my Speedball #1 and slice away anything that has ink on it that isn't part of the image. Only takes a few seconds.

In my limited experience (I've now done only a little over a dozen carves) I carve the whole thing, think I've got all the parts that are not meant to take ink carved out, but then I stamp and there are tons of stray lines. I carve them out with either the large* V or the U gouge (depending on the size of the area and how close it is to things I don't want to mess up). Then I stamp again and there are more funky stray lines. So I repeat the process until I'm happy. I have saved most of the sheets I've used to stamp onto and it's usually 8-10 images before I'm happy with the final result. I wonder if it's because I don't mount my stamps, so maybe the outer edges get pushed down more than they would if I mounted them?

*Of course, what I now refer to as the "large" V gouge was once what I used for "fine detail"! I think it's a #2 V- the smallest that came with my original Speedball kit. Of course now it seems huge!
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Reply to: #597057 by Monkeys!
Apr 4, 2011 9:18am
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so maybe the outer edges get pushed down more than they would if I mounted them?

To carve a frame around the edge helps with some images.
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Reply to: #597071 by figureeight
Apr 4, 2011 9:38am
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a frame as was suggested or trim off the excess edges with your knife
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Reply to: #596867 by Fiddleheads
Apr 4, 2011 10:20am
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I too am anal and have to carve one image at a time. I usually can't do it in one sitting (bad back and all), but I'll do it all in one day with a few 15-20 minute breaks.
I used to be strictly a gauge carver, but have been using the knife more often for getting into really tight corners.

To get fine detail with a gouge, you carve very shallow cuts. Then you make more cuts parallel to the first, creating a series of ridges. This can leave spots/strips that are too high.

I've found something that helps me when carving out white areas. I'll cut once around the entire inside perimeter of the space and then on the subsequent passes I'll angle the blade a little (tip the open end a little more towards the part I haven't carved) I can shave off more of those little ridges.
I also try to carve in a natural direction. What I mean by that is, if I'm carving a face, I carve in the direction of the cheekbones, or forehead, etc... If I have a few stray "trail lines" they often times look like they are part of the detail.
For the areas outside of the image, I will cut away as much extra material as possible leaving only about 1/4 inch. I make this as clean as possible, then mount the stamp. I stamp a few more times to see if it needs even more cleaning. Then angle the larger V-gouge so it bevels the extreme outer edge of the material.

(Hope that made sense. It's hard to describe how it's done!)
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Reply to: #596873 by Kirbert
Apr 4, 2011 11:57am
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Here are two pictures, Kirbert:
(This is a spoiler stamp for you Ontario boxers!)

http://www.atlasquest.com/gallery/viewalbum.html?gAlbumId=2811

Look at the second one first - it's untouched. The top image I worked on for awhile to clean it up, but it's still not done.
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Reply to: #597127 by Fiddleheads
Apr 4, 2011 7:39pm
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Where's my eyeglass cleaner when I need it. I can barely make out either one of those pictures...forget seeing any stray lines...Sorry.

But they look perfect to me. ;-)
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Reply to: #597027 by Dizzy
Apr 4, 2011 7:43pm
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When I scoop out the big white areas, the white parts are shallower and when you press down on the stamp, there's less thickness to keep the weight of your pressure evenly distributed.

Well, obviously one potential solution might be to remove that section of rubber altogether. That's similar to cutting close around the perimeter of the image so you don't get stray marks from the edges.

Still, it makes me wonder how hard you're pressing when you stamp. I mount my stamps with soft, squishy foam, and one nice thing about that is that it tells you not to push so hard. Press just hard enough that the foam deforms, not so hard that it's completely crushed. And that's nowhere near hard enough to press the recessed areas of the rubber down onto the paper.