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Reply to: #972008 by DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie
Feb 23, 2019 5:57am
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I couldn't agree with you more!! Use the sections on this site for what interests you and ignore the rest. Some of us are also in the hobby to meet and enjoy the company of others. Whether that happens at events or through other aspects it is OUR choice how we decide to do that. If we all followed every definition of everything in life what a very boring and dull life that would be. Unfortunately, some people just aren't happy unless they are criticizing something or someone all the time. If you don't like it ignore it, but please DO NOT force you thoughts and opinions on others.
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Reply to: #972019 by Una Marlee Sue
Feb 23, 2019 6:58am
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please DO NOT force you thoughts and opinions on others.

So far, this discussion has been relatively calm and flame free. This morning, I went to find a letterbox, you know, the kind that required me to leave my house and I came home to find that once again, I am being told that I cannot express my opinion.

I am not sure how I might have done that just by stating that by the definition of letterboxing, LTCs are not related to letterboxing except through the creation of a rubber stamp, which is an indisputable fact. I did not ask that LTCs be banned from letterboxing, I simply stated that I didn't think they needed to be expanded. I also mentioned that the decision isn't up to me and that I would work with whatever is decided by Ryan. So, you might want to place me on ignore and please DO NOT try to force your thoughts and opinions on me.

And, with that, I am finished with this discussion.
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Reply to: #972019 by Una Marlee Sue
Feb 23, 2019 7:06am
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If you don't like it ignore it, but please DO NOT force you [sic] thoughts and opinions on others.

Weighing in on a question on ”is it time?” to add a feature to the direction of Atlas Quest homepage is not forcing an opinion, it’s having one. We do ignore what we don’t want to participate in but, as members of the diverse community, we also have a right to chime in when a question is thrown out. If you only want people to agree with you, why ask the whole community?
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Reply to: #971964 by aMAZEing adventure frog
Feb 23, 2019 7:15am
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I kind of wonder if these off shoots keep the letterboxing hobby alive for many of us. For me, I havent found a box in the wild since 2014. But I have been active in LTCS, postals, and a few events. I think all the off shoots may keep AQ active. Does AQ need to be active? I dont know? If these off shoots and boards were not included would AQ be like letterboxing.org? From what I hear not many people love that site. But many of us love AQ! There is a big community here.

I was thinking about how I got started in letterboxing. I was trying to remember how I got started in the off shoots. And I think it was when I went to my profile page and I saw that there were things that you could log: HH/Cooties/Fleas and Postals and event boxes etc. That was the only way that I found out about the other things that I can do within this community.

Ltcs in my opinion, are a very strong part of Atlas Quest. We connect here which I'm grateful for. But we also have a couple Facebook pages. But AQ continues to be our home base.
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Reply to: #972026 by Janila
Feb 23, 2019 7:44am
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To each his/her own!!!! Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinions and thoughts, but when you post on a community board such as this it is inevitable you are going to get some push back and comments that you don't like. Don't post if you can't take the feedback....period.
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Reply to: #972027 by Crayola Posse
Feb 23, 2019 7:46am
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Exacty!!! Don't want the feedback or opinions don't post. This subject is becoming quite boring so off to do other positive things and enjoy the day!!!
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Reply to: #972004 by Janila
Feb 23, 2019 9:13am
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Talking with LTCers, who are also active letterboxers, the interest is in promoting LTCs without in any way diminishing or separating from LBing because LBing is our parent (as well as ATCing.)

I entered the world of LTCs via LBing, which I learned about through Geocaching. Both Lbing and LTCing have brought a multitude of BLESSINGS to my life through the friendships and the adventures. Moreover, both have given me outlets for my creativity.

LTCing is LBs child and has been for 11 years. AQ has supported LTCs since Mama Cache set up the first tracker in 2007: https://www.atlasquest.com/showinfo.php?trackerId=510 . I have yet to find an ATC site that has the kinds of features that our AQ webmaster has created. We are all indeed blessed by the AQ site and by LB traditionalists' suggestions about the site.

I create LTCs, not ATCs. I have created over 400 LTCs. I can say that at least half of the stamps I carved for those, maybe more, have been planted on trails as traditionals.

LTC is NOT letterboxing, it is Letterboxing's child, and we embrace our parent. So whether someone enters this LB community through caching, TCing, or LBing, or all the other avenues, we are a growing, changing community affecting one another's interest. Hopefully in positive ways.

The discussion over traditional letterboxing and its changes as well as its offsprings will continue. As for LTCing, this is what I want:

For anyone:
*to easily find the AQ site and recognize it as a site that also supports LTCs,
*to easily locate the LTC resources on AQ,
*to explore all the facets of an amazing growing LB community focused on people, adventure and creativity and then to choose which of the facets to participate in
*a positive, blossoming relationship with our parent-- letterboxing
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Reply to: #972037 by aMAZEing adventure frog
Feb 23, 2019 9:49am
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very well stated, frog.
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Reply to: #971964 by aMAZEing adventure frog
Feb 23, 2019 11:48am
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I am coming to this late, but after reading much of the conversation, I have to wonder:

What is wrong with the site the way that it is? It is a letterboxing web site with areas available for all of the off shoots. To start making it have different main focuses may detract from the core of letterboxing.

I am not trying to rile up anybody. I am seriously asking.
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Reply to: #972040 by RDHG
Feb 23, 2019 12:27pm
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It's about easy access to the off shoots. When I send out ltc welcome packages I send three different links, all within AQ, for the newbies to look at. If you look at the homepage of AQ you will see links and buttons to all sorts of stuff...even events. If you want to be a real purest then events wouldn't really be considered letterboxing. But why not have links on the home page for ltcs too...even postals? If you look at the statistics LTCs hold their own against event boxes. The event box statistics include table top boxes correct? And if you continue to look at all the statistics, traditional letterboxing and the off shoots have been declining. So why not promote all the avenues? They all feed off of each other and could possibly help the hobby as a whole??
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Reply to: #972042 by Linden Leaf
Feb 23, 2019 12:31pm
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Soo...under the Letterboxes tab on the menu, are you thinking that an LTC sub tab would be beneficial?
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Reply to: #972043 by RDHG
Feb 23, 2019 12:45pm
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Not asking to change the main focus; although one of my previous comments on the board probably implied that. My apologies for that. I was rather over-zealous in my initial thinking.

Seeking an efficient way to access the LTC community resources. Most new people to LTCs describe trying to find the LTC resources on AQ as a pain, having to scour the site until they find something. I've been in the LTC world for years and still can't find some of the LTC stuff. Most of it is scattered through the HELP sections so for a new person seeking LTC info, there is no quick, direct route.

Historically, LTCs have been a part of the AQ world for 11 of its 15 years, and for 11 of the 18 years letterboxing has been in the US.

Some of us want to work at promoting LTCs which in turn promotes letterboxing at its core. We have to send a list of links to guide prospects to the AQ LTC resources. A one click option would be ideal.

May we have a little box on the homepage with a small button or two for quick access to the LTC resources or just one button to an LTC page with all the AQ LTC links there. It could be small like the "What's New on AQ?" Maybe put it next to the "Walking for Fun." ;) We could label it "Dang those LTCers! What are they up to now?"

All puns aside, we are NOT suggesting that the focus of the site--letterboxing-- be changed. Just that the letterboxing community embrace the creative child it gave birth to back in 2007.
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Reply to: #972044 by aMAZEing adventure frog
Feb 23, 2019 1:16pm
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Maybe an easy would be to create a Ltc blog (livejournal might be a good place) or facebook group that new Ltcs could be directed to for how-to-get-started info presented all in one place and curated by an experienced ltc-er.
I have not had the accessability issues some folks are describing, and find the help section that currently exist works just fine- it's also really easy to search the boards and find all kinds of useful stuff. While I have not actual done and ltcs yet I'm confident there is plenty of information avilable to me if I do.
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Reply to: #971964 by aMAZEing adventure frog
Feb 23, 2019 2:49pm
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I love letterboxing. Going out, following the clue, finding the box (usually; and if I don't find it, that's part of the adventure as well). I love the creativity of the stamps others do and doing some carving myself. However, I live in the middle of nowhere and have to travel 2 hours at least to get to an area to letterbox. I starting to place boxes in my area but that doesn't bring new ones near me. So I have found LTCs a great way to continue that joy of creating and sharing this art we carve. Is it the same? No. But I have always seen the art of the stamps in my Logbook as the heart of the hobby.
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Reply to: #971964 by aMAZEing adventure frog
Feb 23, 2019 3:22pm
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Reply to: #972050 by Procyon
Feb 23, 2019 5:18pm
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I starting to place boxes in my area but that doesn't bring new ones near me.

If you build it, they will come, eventually.
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Reply to: #972037 by aMAZEing adventure frog
Feb 23, 2019 9:59pm
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I create LTCs, not ATCs. I have created over 400 LTCs. I can say that at least half of the stamps I carved for those, maybe more, have been planted on trails as traditionals.

Excellent point and the best evidence for a letterbox tie-in. I also happily donate as many of my LTC stamps as possible to others for permanent placements. Probably about 60 in the last couple of years. As do many others.

Many letterboxers don’t feel they are artistic or are good carvers yet they are good box stewards and want to hide. Or maybe they just want to have representation from other parts of the country or they are just too busy.

Letterboxing benefits from LTCs in many ways.
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Reply to: #972044 by aMAZEing adventure frog
Feb 24, 2019 5:16am
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Thank you to those of you who responded with your thoughts. Since you took the time to answer my wondering, I wanted to acknowledge that I read your replies. I understand more clearly now what you were saying.
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Reply to: #972071 by DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie
Feb 24, 2019 5:58am
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another way LTCs strengthen the LB community is by acting as an LB courtesy committee. We send sets of love-filled LTCs to people having surgery, new babies, marriages, and more, and not just people who are LTCers!

Rainbow Bridge: https://www.atlasquest.com/showinfo.php?trackerId=2358
New Baby: https://www.atlasquest.com/showinfo.php?trackerId=9907
Prayer cards: https://www.atlasquest.com/showinfo.php?trackerId=9434

Often event hosts will organize an LTC/traditional tracker to encourage carvings for an event. The carvers then receive a set of the stamped LTCs: https://www.atlasquest.com/showinfo.php?trackerId=7707

There are always holiday LTC trackers for swapping holiday themed cards including postcards. I personally love that I get so much mail around the holidays (being single.)
Christmas Tracker: https://www.atlasquest.com/showinfo.php?trackerId=9354

We've supported scouting events, and we've hosted lots of trackers to learn about art media and more. Even encourage self-improvement : https://www.atlasquest.com/showinfo.php?trackerId=9670
as well as
Christian Trackers: https://www.atlasquest.com/showinfo.php?trackerId=9530

We've even begun hosting LTC-focused events this past year, traveling cross country to meet one another and share techniques and tips on carving, logbook making, crafting and more! At each of these events, traditional letterboxes have always been a part of the fun. More importantly, we strengthened our relationships and therefore our LB community.

All of this within the LTC community of AQ. All of this creates a stronger LB community, and LTCers are proud & productive members of this LB community. Let's keep growing together!
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Reply to: #971993 by Wise Wanderer
Feb 24, 2019 6:36am
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It's a huge and diverse community, and AQ has room for all of it. There are loads of people who enjoy all the different variations of letterboxing, or just some of them, or, in your case, only one (the "traditional" boxes).

To some extent, I agree, but on the other hand, I feel like the focus on crafting has come at the expense of traditional boxes hidden for hikers. The past few years I've been doing more of our longer trails in Southern New England, and I'm finding that most of the boxes on these trails are old ones (2000-2010), many only listed on LbNA. Of my last 100 finds, 58 were unlisted. Many of these boxes have sadly not been found in years, because no one is looking for them. Meanwhile, there are so many boxes listed in cemeteries, little parks, or a quarter mile down a local trail, that the listings clog up the searches. And of course there are all the postals and LTCs. With the focus on crafting, I think there are a lot of hikers who have been turned off by letterboxing.
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Reply to: #972076 by aMAZEing adventure frog
Feb 24, 2019 6:46am
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Wow Frog!!

Unless I'm not understanding exactly what you're saying I think there is an edit:

*This year will be our 5th LTC-focused event with event boxes. We even have had many companies like golden gel medium and plain online send us products to test sample at these events. One year gelli arts sent all the retreat participants free gelli plates!*
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Reply to: #972078 by Trailhead Tessie
Feb 24, 2019 7:03am
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With the focus on crafting, I think there are a lot of hikers who have been turned off by letterboxing.

Actually, looking at AQ statistics shows a steady decline in BOTH traditional and LTC plants since they peaked about 9-10 years ago. So I don't believe there is a "focus on crafting" that has caused a decline in anything. There apparently is an overall decline in participation in all aspects of the hobby. Seems like all the more reason NOT to exclude the variations that feed into, and draw attention to, traditional letterboxing.
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Reply to: #972078 by Trailhead Tessie
Feb 24, 2019 7:06am
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I think a person finds their niche whether it’s the longer hikes, logbooks, stamps, event hosting, or other. I personally believe that the core of letterboxing isn’t the stamp or logbook; it’s the quest for adventure and leaving a part of yourself for others to find on their adventure— feeling connected.

Maybe the events with boxes every 50 ft affected the desire for longer hike finds, or the PFX count and competitive spirits or any other aspect of LB in its broadest terms. I’m reminded often to think correlation, not cause and effect. (What was that book?)

So what might be done or has been done to encourage more find/plants on the longer trails? If you’ll
Work on that I’ll work on getting direct access to LTCs, and I’ll even plant some of my LTC stamp carves on a long hike to support efforts. I will say that having developed sciatica, I really appreciate the drive bys and short hikes. They have kept my spirits up and kept me involved in a community that literally saved my life!
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Reply to: #972079 by Linden Leaf
Feb 24, 2019 7:09am
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My nephew Kyle says that if you’re over 30 you are old and you start forgetting stuff. Well, I’m way over 30, baby, But still going strong and LBing (and all its facets) might have something to do with that.
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Reply to: #972019 by Una Marlee Sue
Feb 24, 2019 7:51am
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DO NOT force you thoughts and opinions on others.

Is that your opinion or your thoughts? Either way you post does come off as forceful & opinionated. Unless you meant for it to be ironic.

The boards would be empty if no one posted their thoughts or opinions. The original poster ended their post with:

I do agree that there are fantastic works of art created by those who like LTCs but in my opinion, they are not the same as letterboxing.

That sincere opinion gave rise to thoughtful responses, most meaning to show the value they feel LTC's (which I do not participate in) contribute to letterboxing. Opinions can be challenged and changed with thoughtful discourse. It's very healthy to challenge your own opinions from time to time, lest we become stale & stilted. And you most likely will not change anyone's opinion when you tell someone they do not have the right to hold it in the first place.

Unless of I could be way off here if you were just championing thoughtless posts . . .
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Reply to: #972080 by Wise Wanderer
Feb 24, 2019 9:42am
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There apparently is an overall decline in participation in all aspects of the hobby.

Just lately, true, but I'm talking about a change that occurred maybe ten years ago, when the popularity was still increasing. There has been huge increase in the number of plants in Connecticut, with most of those plants being drivebys or very easy strolls. I think the listings in my town went from just a handful in 2006 when I started to several dozen today. The balance has changed completely. When I first started looking for boxes, the percentage of planters who were obviously hikers was much higher. They would take you on long, rugged hikes.
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Reply to: #972093 by Trailhead Tessie
Feb 24, 2019 9:51am
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When I first started looking for boxes, the percentage of planters who were obviously hikers was much higher. They would take you on long, rugged hikes.

Could it be partly to people like me?
Now, I couldn't do a four mile, uneven terrain hike in less than four hours. I'm not sure I could safely do it at all.
This limits which boxes I'm willing to hunt for.
I'll say it: the more miles I need to hike, the more boxes I want to find on the journey.
I don't want to drive three - four hours to get there and be done after one.
More and more boxes are not for this boxer.
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Reply to: #972093 by Trailhead Tessie
Feb 24, 2019 9:55am
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As demographics change - so do the habits of those that age. Ten years ago I could do lots of things I can't do now. I commend those that can still through hike... but as a nation we are aging, and with that comes changes to accommodate those changes.

If you want to continue to see people planting those long trails - we need to encourage the younger generations to join our hobby. So how do we do that while they are attached to their IPhones like a lifeline?
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Reply to: #972095 by mudflinginfools
Feb 24, 2019 10:33am
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If you want to continue to see people planting those long trails - we need to encourage the younger generations to join our hobby. So how do we do that while they are attached to their IPhones like a lifeline?

That is the question. Do we have anyone less than 30 willing to answer this? What do young people want in the wild now days? How can we get them out there to hunt boxes in the woods? At least geocahers get to play with billions of dollars (or euros) of satellites.
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Reply to: #972097 by Oberon_Kenobi
Feb 25, 2019 5:56am
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Closer to 40 than 30...
But if folks stop with the snobbery it would help.
I've seen folks told that there year plus on the site isn't enough to time to have an opinion... by sock puppet accounts created just to troll folks... stuff like that is gross, and makes me less interested in telling my friends or family about boxing.