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Re: Ethical question
Board: State: West Virginia
Reply to: #969106 by Rodney King
Dec 5, 2018 7:28pm
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[quote]To anyone who assumes that their fellow letterboxers are willfully violating rules and acting against the best interests of the letterboxing community and natural areas, please give people the benefit of the doubt until you find out the rest of the story.

Can't we all just get along?[/quote]
This is 2018 not the 80’s, anyone who has been in geolocation hobbies for any time at all knows that the NPS is generally a no-no without special permissions. The planters in question have already posted in this thread. If they have that permission they should post “the rest of the story”.

Apparently we can’t all get along. 😉
Re: Ethical question
Board: State: West Virginia
Reply to: #969110 by Everybody
Dec 5, 2018 7:31pm
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So ANYBODY can determine if ANYONE ELSE'S response is "correct"?

Woohoo!! RESPECT MY AUTHORITY!
Re: Ethical question
Board: State: West Virginia
Reply to: #969112 by Anybody
Dec 5, 2018 7:47pm
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Has there been a more alias spinning thread than this? Also dibs on the "alias spinning thread" meme.
Re: Ethical question
Board: State: West Virginia
Reply to: #969113 by Wronghat
Dec 5, 2018 8:05pm
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Has there been a more alias spinning thread than this?

Hmmmm... let me think...
Re: Ethical question
Board: State: West Virginia
Reply to: #969113 by Wronghat
Dec 5, 2018 8:15pm
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Who? Me?
Re: Ethical question
Board: State: West Virginia
Reply to: #969104 by Road Junkies
Dec 5, 2018 9:53pm
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You have been made aware of the issue by the local planter. Can we agree that it wasn't with ill intent? Based on those assumptions do you have any problem with a local moving the box off NPS property and communicating with you on clue changes?
Re: Ethical question
Board: State: West Virginia
Reply to: #969117 by IrishRef
Dec 5, 2018 10:05pm
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Based on those assumptions do you have any problem with a local moving the box off NPS property and communicating with you on clue changes?

Why? Where is there an indication that LBs are not allowed? As has been pointed out (WITH A LINK), NPS no longer explicitly prohibits them, and it is up to each park to make their own determination. Why remove someone else's box based on "well, maybe someone somewhere has an unwritten and unposted prohibition for this specific park, based on word of mouth"? How does it "look bad" or generate "ill-will", if the rules aren't posted and published?
Re: Ethical question
Board: State: West Virginia
Reply to: #969117 by IrishRef
Dec 5, 2018 10:11pm
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You have been made aware of the issue by the local planter.

And therein lies the conundrum.

The local boxer is "certain" of this policy prohibiting letterboxes yet there is not "official" mention of the policy on any park related listing of policies related to the prohibition of which they speak.

To me, if it isn't in verifiable format, it isn't actually a policy.
::shrug::
Re: Ethical question
Board: State: West Virginia
Reply to: #969120 by wassamatta u
Dec 5, 2018 10:19pm
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Not the point i'm making Wassa. It was an attempt at resolving with no ill will. Should know better than to attempt resolution on the message board. Suggestion is for local boxer and planter to discuss with an amicable resolution. Apparently wiser privately at this point. I personally welcome plants to our scenic state. But would suggest avoiding the NPS in these parts.
Re: Ethical question
Board: State: West Virginia
Reply to: #969109 by Road Junkies
Dec 6, 2018 6:43am
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It took a little digging, but here is the New River Gorge's guidelines for geocaches. I would assume that they would like letterboxes to be handled in the same way.

https://www.nps.gov/neri/planyourvisit/permit-guidelines-for-gps-based-activities.htm

I hope this helps.

dp
Re: Ethical question
Board: State: West Virginia
Reply to: #969131 by dancingpecan
Dec 6, 2018 6:55am
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Thank you, dancing pecan. We had followed a link on the site for GPS based activities but it was a dead link that led to a 404 error page. Good detective work!

We will contact the park superintendent and notify him or her that we placed a box there without knowledge of this rule and determine with the superintendent how to proceed.

Thanks again!
Re: Ethical question
Board: State: West Virginia
Reply to: #969133 by Road Junkies
Dec 6, 2018 7:26am
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You're quite welcome. I'm glad I was able to help. :)

dp
Re: Ethical question
Board: State: West Virginia
Reply to: #969098 by Grrly Girl
Dec 9, 2018 7:30am
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What was the Disney decree? (Just curious)
Re: Ethical question
Board: State: West Virginia
Reply to: #969091 by wvelliotts
Dec 9, 2018 10:05am
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Oh, I was lucky to read the Burgemeister poem just in time for it to be deleted. Very funny with the link--but it-just-disappeared. I'd love a copy AQ'd to me if possible, can't remember who wrote it.
Re: Ethical question
Board: State: West Virginia
Reply to: #969214 by Super Hedge Hoggie
Dec 10, 2018 3:44am
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What was the Disney decree? (Just curious)

I'm guessing this is the Disney Decree
Re: Ethical question
Board: State: West Virginia
Reply to: #969122 by IrishRef
Dec 11, 2018 6:25am
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Just to be clear, I have no intention of outing the boxes or pulling them. Live and let live. I was mostly curious about the feelings of people in the area about the subject.

I've tried several times to get the Super of the park to allow LB's and geocaches in the park but to no avail. Mostly due to their staff and not their personal feelings. One was quite receptive to the idea. They control a large portion of the county and practically all the trails so the temptation for me to plant in the park is real.

If you expressed an opinion here, thank you! The discussion has been lively and spirited for sure! If you planted in the park for any reason, it wasn't about you it was a general question. Don't worry, your boxes are safe from me.
Re: Ethical question
Board: State: West Virginia
Reply to: #969091 by wvelliotts
Dec 11, 2018 12:37pm
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Interesting Thread...

I plant when I want, Where I want, and when I want to.

Carry on,
Mtn Girl