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Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923216 by Wronghat
Mar 30, 2016 8:12am
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How big is this old logbook? What type of container had been used?

It was a spiral-bound book of 5" x 3.5" index cards, and the container was some old white Rubbermaid type of thing.

I usually make 2" x 4" logbooks that will fit in a small rectangular LnL. The smaller the box, the more places I can plant it. I'll sometimes make a bigger logbook if I use a large rectangular LnL, though. But most people nowadays--myself included--don't write much in the logbook, even if it's bigger.
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923215 by Rocklun
Mar 30, 2016 11:20am
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When I first started planting, I used Rubbermaid containers with 3 X 5 wire bound index card decks for my plants.

With the use of the newer lock n locks, I now cut 3 X 5 wire bound index card decks in half.

I've seen some beautiful logbooks out there, and big ones, too - but realistically, here in New England, with our weather, they get spoiled so easily.

In the olden days (circa 2000-2), there were not so many boxes out there, so finding a box was a more sedate experience, and sure, I'd write a small tome :-) as long as it wasn't a film canister box with a scroll log. I still take the time to write a nice message as I find, on average, one box a month.

WW
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923231 by Warrior Woman
Mar 30, 2016 11:36am
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I thought I might see you in this logbook, Warrior Woman, but I didn't. Unfortunately, a few of the pages were destroyed, so you may have been in there at one time.
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923215 by Rocklun
Mar 30, 2016 7:43pm
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looking through this logbook made me a little nostalgic for those big logbooks with lots of room for comments.

Yes, but no one seems to write comments anymore. My large 2004-2005 logbooks had some wonderful entries in it, including a marriage proposal. But there weren't a lot of boxes back then and people seemed to really sit and savor a find.

Now people plant series with no logbooks at all in most of them. Or they try to conserve space because logbooks fill up so quickly.

But sometimes I still find a single with a good size book on a mountain somewhere and just sit there and savor it and write a little about the day.
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923215 by Rocklun
Mar 30, 2016 7:57pm
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I have a few big logbooks. I like them, too. One of these days I'm going to have to go out and read them, and take pictures of the pages before the boxes inevitably go missing. I have to say, I rarely stop to read logbooks, though, unless it's the only letterbox I'm going to look for that day, the weather is nice, theres no bugs, and I have a place to sit.
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923215 by Rocklun
Mar 30, 2016 8:42pm
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I guess I don't understand the question. Doesn't everybody prefer big notebooks? Why would anyone ever use a small log book in a small box if the hiding spot would accommodate a larger box?
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923274 by Kirbert
Mar 31, 2016 2:26am
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Why would anyone ever use a small log book in a small box if the hiding spot would accommodate a larger box?

I usually don't know exactly where I'm going to plant, so I try to use the smallest box possible in order to give myself more planting options.
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923267 by The Wolf Family
Mar 31, 2016 2:54am
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Yes, but no one seems to write comments anymore.

Don't you think that a lot of this is due to the ability to log on line comments?
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923270 by FloridaFour
Mar 31, 2016 4:42am
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I like to look through logbooks, especially the older ones. You never know what you'll find. Recently, I found an old mystery box because of a note that the mystery box's planter had left in another logbook.
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923215 by Rocklun
Mar 31, 2016 6:03am
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One of my indoor boxes has a very cool large vintage notebook that was appropriate to use as a logbook with the theme of the box/stamp.
But nobody really ever writes in it other than to log in. I just reckon is because people write their comments, if they are going to make any, when logging their find online.

In the "old" days we did used to love to read the logbooks! But hardly ever do that anymore either...And are now guilty of just stamping in with a sig name, date and maybe hometown.

In thinking why? A few reasons. Maybe is because the logbooks are too small and we don't want to take up too much space. Or the logbook is full. Or even wet (common here in FL). And if is buggy out? Ha, speed is the name of the game with no temptation to be a mosquito buffet.
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923281 by Rocklun
Mar 31, 2016 6:27am
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Why would anyone ever use a small log book in a small box if the hiding spot would accommodate a larger box?

I usually don't know exactly where I'm going to plant, so I try to use the smallest box possible

Larger boxes are (generally) more expensive. I also bring a box that will fit in many places because I haven't found specifically where I'll plant.
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923267 by The Wolf Family
Mar 31, 2016 8:27am
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Yes, but no one seems to write comments anymore.

Maybe people just need to be "primed." On the front page of the logbook, ask that they write something. Not "something" as in "please write a message in this book!" kind of thing, but something specific to encourage them to start writing. Something about the theme of the box.

For instance, if you plant a letterbox with a Kevin Bacon stamp, ask that the finders write a comment about their favorite Kevin Bacon movie.

Or if you plant a Jay Leno letterbox, ask for a joke. =)

Or if you plant a box in the Priest Wilderness, as for a "confession." (The register in the shelter there was one of my favorites to read through because that's exactly what people were doing.)

Not everyone will follow your directive, but many probably will and presto! A logbook that's a heck of a lot more interesting to flip through! =) Especially for those first several people--they set the "mood" and expectations of everyone else who follows.

Of course, if you do do something like this, make sure there's plenty of room in the logbook so people can write messages!

-- Ryan
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923282 by Janila
Mar 31, 2016 2:53pm
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Don't you think that a lot of this is due to the ability to log on line comments?

Perhaps, but I don't think so. Online comments about boxes have been around since online boxes. For example, anyone else remember the "sit rep:"?

I would suggest that the cause is commoditization. Commoditization breeds efficiency, among other things.
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923322 by Sir Braemoor
Mar 31, 2016 3:20pm
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For example, anyone else remember the "sit rep:"?

Is my memory correct in that the "sit reps" were found in message boards and not right with the published clues?
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923323 by Janila
Apr 1, 2016 11:01am
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Is my memory correct in that the "sit reps" were found in message boards and not right with the published clues?

Not only that, but the clues themselves were posted as messages on the lbna talk list. That is how I got the clues to my first finds in 2000-2001, specifically Trish Kurdziel's Magic Treehouse Series here in RI.

Warrior Woman
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923959 by Early Risers
Apr 9, 2016 1:50pm
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To my mind, the three ways of leaving notes are to three different audiences. The public online log is to others who may decide to hunt this box in the future. The private online comment is to the box planter and owner. And notes in the physical log book in the box are to the people who find the box after me. That may not be the original intent when letterboxing first started out, but it's the scheme that makes the most sense to me now -- especially as I, myself, often plant letterboxes that I have little hope of ever revisiting. Even the boxes I've planted locally are lucky to get revisited once a year, so if you want me to get your message in a timely manner the online log is a better idea.

I also confess that, when logging a find, I often resort to the old adage "If you can't say something nice, say nothing at all." Let's face it, not all boxes are pearls, and sometimes I'm so disappointed I have to bite my tongue.
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923960 by Kirbert
Apr 9, 2016 5:02pm
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Like Mom says, "Just say, 'Thank you.' and then, be quiet. haha
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923960 by Kirbert
Apr 9, 2016 5:35pm
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Well said. I have to share one of my 'favorite' comments that I often find in a physical logbook - "logbook wet." I often wonder who the intended audience for this comment is, as anyone who subsequently finds the box will also recognize the amount of moisture therein, yet I find this written quite often, especially as I attempt to rehabilitate older abandoned boxes.

Don't even get me started on "logbook full..."

:)
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923969 by Nairon
Apr 9, 2016 6:38pm
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I often find in a physical logbook - "logbook wet." I often wonder who the intended audience for this comment is

What? I'm not allowed to sign logbooks anymore? Sheesh. *shaking head*

Just because I don't log my finds online doesn't mean they aren't real finds!!!!!!!

-- Logbook Wet
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923300 by Green Tortuga
Apr 9, 2016 7:25pm
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I have a Dia De Los Muertos box, and I asked people to write messages about or to their lost loved ones. I need to go check the box and see if anyone ever did. :-)
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Reply to: #923960 by Kirbert
Apr 9, 2016 8:39pm
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And notes in the physical log book in the box are to the people who find the box after me. That may not be the original intent when letterboxing first started out, but it's the scheme that makes the most sense to me now

I don't think there was any original intent on these matters cuz that implies an original agent, and I don't think there was such. I think it was more evolutionary. That said, it dismays me when I see an online comment like "the bonus box was a nice surprise" and so forth. Nice surprise for you, maybe, but you just spoiled the surprise for everyone else. (I do know that there was original agency in intending that bonus boxes actually be surprises (google "bonus definition"; ignore the definition related to salary and wages), whatever the word "surprise" means in modern letterboxing).

Of course, I can choose not to read the online comments, as I do, (except of course when researching and writing "novel length posts intended to impress", like this one, as one of my detractors puts it (tho all I am actually doing is writing my opinions on the game and its evolution as I feel about it, stream of consciousness style (cuz that's how I write), and nothing more (awesome band, BTW, download the sound))), tho it would be nice if AQ had a "hide online comments" profile option to make this less awkward. Maybe it does and I just don't know about it.

(((you can tell I'm an ex programmer, cuz I got all them parens to match, put most of the commas in the right places, and I even managed to parse most of that cruft, well, sort of)))

As for comments in the physical logbook, I imagine "logbook is wet" is a bit more constructive than "logbook is missing" :)
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923983 by Sir Braemoor
Apr 10, 2016 3:17am
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...it dismays me when I see an online comment like "the bonus box was a nice surprise" and so forth. Nice surprise for you, maybe, but you just spoiled the surprise for everyone else.

Doesn't dismay me. That comment is deleted -- along with the ones that say "Dropped off a HH."
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #923221 by Rocklun
Apr 10, 2016 9:29am
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It was a spiral-bound book of 5" x 3.5" index cards, and the container was some old white Rubbermaid type of thing.

What was once considered the State Of The Art lgbk for this hobby had its definite advantages. One of which was being able to separate the thicker index card pages of even the most waterlogged lgbk. However, over half of its pages may be illegible due to the excessive bleeding of dye-based imprints. Whereas, all the pigment imprints will look even sharper and more vibrant on the wet pages.
http://www.atlasquest.com/tutorials/stamping/ink-pads/

Thanks to the worthwhile efforts of Rocklun (and others) letterboxes and its contents, having seen better days, can often be restored and replaced in a new watertight container for others to enjoy the trek to find. Thankfully, there are a few like Rocklun that enjoy the challenge of restoring a worthy letterbox and its contents that others may view as an inconvenience not worth the effort.
Re: Old logbooks
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Reply to: #924007 by Frenchie
Apr 10, 2016 12:39pm
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...over half of its pages may be illegible due to the excessive bleeding of dye-based imprints. Whereas, all the pigment imprints will look even sharper and more vibrant on the wet pages.

I'm not convinced this is a dye vs. pigment thing. There are dye inks that are waterproof, and there are dye inks that are "washable". And the pigment ink that I use, Brilliance, has not proven to be all that waterproof; it tends to blur when wet.