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Re: An Interesting Question (or not)
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Reply to: #812422 by Oberon_Kenobi
Oct 25, 2013 10:36pm
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Where are the number of finds by other people of my plants?

Select the types of boxes you want to know more about. Your planted traditional boxes, for instance, will include the number of finds recorded on your planted traditionals. Your planted LTCs will have the number of recorded finds on LTCs that you've planted.

So it's not on that front page--dig down into your plant statistics. =)

-- Ryan
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Reply to: #812423 by Green Tortuga
Oct 25, 2013 11:01pm
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Select the types of boxes you want to know more about.

In trying to explain how I still wasn't seeing it I finally found it. You need to go to "My Statistics" then click on the specific type at the top for Plants. At the bottom of the first section of text, to the left of the pie chart, are these two statistics:

Total finds on your boxes: ###
Total finders on your boxes:###

Those statistics are there after all. :-D
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Reply to: #812426 by Oberon_Kenobi
Oct 25, 2013 11:12pm
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OK, that is pretty cool. And there have been 5,470 finds on my boxes, while I have only 647 finds. So, I'm making up for some of you laggards.

At this point I'd like to renew my objection to any suggestion that letterboxers should feel obligated to plant some number of boxes. If you don't feel like planting, please don't. Only those who enjoy planting should do so.
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Reply to: #812429 by Kirbert
Oct 25, 2013 11:56pm
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At this point I'd like to renew my objection to any suggestion that letterboxers should feel obligated to plant some number of boxes.

I very much agree with this, and the other statements to which I'm replying.

However, I'm going to analyze this from a statistical point of view. My analysis is going to use greatly simplified assumptions, but will suffice to demonstrate my point. The suggested ratio has been (about) 1 plant for every 10 finds that you have made. Let's say that in your travel area are 11 boxers who also have the same travel area. Someone will have to be the one to break out of the 1:10 ratio, which is why I am using "about" above. Then every other boxer goes out to find this box and also plant one of their own. So every round there are eleven new boxes, one your plant and ten you find. This works and everyone maintains their "about" ratio.

However, if you have fewer boxers in your travel area (as I do), you can expand your travel area or recruit more boxers. I've been doing the former and have tried (unsuccessfully so far) the later. My P:F ratio is 25:99, well above the 1:10 suggested ratio. I do need to go out and find more boxes, but I got above this ratio by planting boxes (after I'd found about 10 letterboxes and a lot more geocaches). I didn't feel pressured to plant, except for my Monthly Box series (a box a month for a year), which is only (about) half my boxes. I just wanted to plant.

Now, let's assume that you're in an area where there are more than 11 boxers trying to maintain this ratio. Either they ignore boxes in their area so that they can maintain their ratio, or they find all those in their area and plant accordingly. Assuming all of the boxers are taking the later strategy, there will be no way that they can maintain their ratio. Worrying about something that they can't fix will stress them out. Even attempting to keep this ratio will cause quality to suffer.

So statistically, you need 11 active boxers in your area to be able to maintain this ratio. This doesn't even take into account boxers from outside of your area, or the occasional trip by someone to an area outside of their regular area. You can see how this will quickly get complicated.

What I'm saying, a long way around, is that I agree with Kirbert for the very reasons he stated. I'm just backing up my opinion with math.
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Reply to: #812348 by artTrekker
Oct 26, 2013 9:15am
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We were so glad to see the statistics breakdown! We have close to 3,000 finds of letterboxes placed by others, but even more finds from others on our boxes. It feels good to know that we are doing our part to help our hobby grow.
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Reply to: #812434 by Oberon_Kenobi
Oct 28, 2013 8:04am
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So statistically, you need 11 active boxers in your area to be able to maintain this ratio.

Statistics can lie. Here in the Frozen Tundra we call Alaska we have maybe 3 or 4 active boxers in our whole state. Yet we seem to get a lot of finds/plants above the statistical ratio.

deniserows
in a land of boxing tourists
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Reply to: #812741 by deniserows
Oct 28, 2013 3:11pm
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Statistics can lie.

I believe that there is a Mark Twain quote about that.

Also I was oversimplifying, as I said. I think that you maintain you ratio because of visitors. I think that Hawaii could do that too with fewer boxers in that state because they get even more visitors than Alaska. The fun of being a tourist destination.
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Reply to: #812741 by deniserows
Oct 28, 2013 3:22pm
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The find ratio to number of boxes placed also increases as your planting area expands. We would never have had as many visitors to our boxes had we not been fortunate enough to plant in many states, and frequently along oft-traveled routes.