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Re: Respect.... Seems to be a hard concept....
Board: Traditional Letterboxes
Reply to: #809154 by JampersandJ
Oct 6, 2013 4:10pm
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So, I've been following this thread, and I'm wondering some things. Why do we care, for instance, that someone is planting near us or near other boxes we've found? Cyclonic is right--it doesn't actually make a difference. But yet so many of us get really, really bothered (myself included.) I completely understand the reaction when it's a case of clue poaching, though. That's unconscionable!

The other thing I'm wondering is about the planters. Why do they plant so close? We have some of that happening here in our area sometimes, too, and I'm just trying to understand why it happens at all (in cases where the planter has found the previous box, sometimes on the same day he/she plants theirs.)

Thoughts?
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Reply to: #809117 by Cyclonic
Oct 6, 2013 4:39pm
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I think it makes a difference if you put restrictions on your boxes, so that not just anyone can find them. Then someone plants a box next to yours that doesn't have restrictions, means your box
could get found by "just anyone" looking for the other box.
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Reply to: #809169 by WiseOldOwl
Oct 6, 2013 4:40pm
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Why do we care, for instance, that someone is planting near us or near other boxes we've found? Cyclonic is right--it doesn't actually make a difference. But yet so many of us get really, really bothered (myself included.)

Probably goes back to people who follow rules don't like it when others break rules on purpose (disregard for people and society and orderliness), the concept of personal space, the concept of intellectual property, and so on. I personally wouldn't mind that there might be a box a few feet away from mine, except if they did it without asking
Do not plant letterboxes near other people's existing letterboxes without permission

they would be breaking the rule, which I DO mind.
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Reply to: #809177 by JampersandJ
Oct 6, 2013 5:51pm
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they would be breaking the rule, which I DO mind.

You think this is geocaching or something?

This is letterboxing, there are no rules in letterboxing!

There is no crying either!
Re: Respect.... Seems to be a hard concept....
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Reply to: #809202 by Cyclonic
Oct 7, 2013 2:34am
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Re: Respect.... Seems to be a hard concept....
Board: Traditional Letterboxes
Reply to: #809046 by Cindy Lou Who
Oct 7, 2013 5:07am
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I used to think the way you do, but then I realized, what difference does it really make

Letterboxing Code of Conduct:
Do not plant letterboxes near other people's existing letterboxes without permission.

what difference does it really make

Letterboxing Code of Conduct:
Not only might the original letterbox planter not appreciate your efforts, but the added traffic with people getting your letterbox might cause unacceptable environmental damage or risk exposing the location of the original letterbox.

Letterboxing Code of Conduct:
Respect laws, rules, courtesy, property rights and copyrights whenever you conduct letterboxing activities. Most of these are common sense and common curtesy, but ultimately, it all comes down to respecting others.

Your answer must be courtesy and respect............And damage to location............. And risk of exposing original box....
Re: Respect.... Seems to be a hard concept....
Board: Traditional Letterboxes
Reply to: #809046 by Cindy Lou Who
Oct 7, 2013 5:34am
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They just don't care. I just find it frustrating. To me, it is a total lack of respect.

I myself TRY to play by the Code of Conduct, or so I thought until I realized that I am just as guilty as the planter.

Here is the Code of Conduct:
Do not hide a letterbox where you know the land managers do not allow them, or if the park has letterboxing guidelines, follow them to the letter

I found a series of LB's in a state park, I went in and found them, I'm guilty even tho they had a "good" excuse as to why they didn't follow the C of C.

Just this week-end I found a box on National Government land on a trail on the Blue Ridge Parkway.Until just recently I never even thought about boxes should not be on the BRP because our code of conduct says not to plant in National Parks. And the BRP is not a State thing it's a National thing.

I cry out when I see other having no lack of respect especially if it concerns MY stuff and overlook my own errors.
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Board: Traditional Letterboxes
Reply to: #809114 by Cindy Lou Who
Oct 7, 2013 5:40am
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C of C says:

If you find a problem with the letterbox-maybe the clue needs updating or the letterbox needs maintenance-attempt to inform the owner of the letterbox of the problem.

Have you tried to respectfully contact the offensive LBer privately with your concerns?
Re: LB Code of Conduct - What is "near"?
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Reply to: #809265 by airstream dreams
Oct 7, 2013 12:31pm
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Just out of curiosity, what does everyone consider "near"?

For example, if a park has two hiking/nature trails and there is a box on one, is the other trail off limits without permission? Is the whole park off limits? If it's a 4 mile trail and there is a box at MM3, is MM1 off limits? Two miles between boxes seems "far" to me.

I try to be respectful and ask, or plant in locations where there aren't already boxes so I'm not looking to start any arguments. I really am just honestly curious.
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Reply to: #809265 by airstream dreams
Oct 7, 2013 1:29pm
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Letterboxing Code of Conduct: Blah, blah, blah...

Letterboxing Code of Conduct: Blah, blah, blah...

Letterboxing Code of Conduct: Blah, blah, blah...

Pretty much sums it up, a bunch of nonsense that I have never bothered to read. Hate to say it, myself and plenty of others have been letterboxing long before there was some written "Code of Conduct," we didn't need it then, and we don't need it now.

Please feel free to read my previous posting regarding this.

There are no rules, you simply plant and if folks like it, they will find your box, if they don't they won't (there are boxes I will not search for), and you live or die by the choices you make.
Re: LB Code of Conduct - What is "near"?
Board: Traditional Letterboxes
Reply to: #809318 by Southern Oracle
Oct 7, 2013 1:39pm
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People have told me "if you can see the other letterbox" they consider that "near". Definitely, 2 miles is not "near".

Maybe we can also use the geocache rule of thumb: 1/10 mile apart. For me, that's 2 minutes at my normal walking pace.

It's always good to contact others of our intent, and see if they mind if other boxes are near theirs.
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Reply to: #809323 by Cyclonic
Oct 7, 2013 1:43pm
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So, if I really really really really like your stamp, I can just take it, and leave one of my discarded, crumbly, substandard pink stuff rejects in its place? <G>
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Reply to: #809325 by JampersandJ
Oct 7, 2013 1:52pm
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So, if I really really really really like your stamp, I can just take it, and leave one of my discarded, crumbly, substandard pink stuff rejects in its place? <G>

My stamps aren't worth it, and karma is a b!tch.
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Reply to: #809130 by Cindy Lou Who
Oct 7, 2013 2:48pm
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Im sorry that happened. Now that I realise how close it was, and that they knew it was there, for sure.

I probably wouldn't retire mine if someone did that, but I WOULD contact them and ask them to please not do it again. I don't mind anyone planting in the same trails as mine, but out of the same field of vision woukd at least be nice. Accidental, no biggie. Make it a habit.... BIGGIE.
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Reply to: #809335 by FloridaFour
Oct 7, 2013 2:53pm
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As I stated, this isn't the first time. When contacted, they get angry and claim that it is no big deal and that they feel they have as much right as anyone else. Not worth it. Same reason I am not calling them out specifically. It just doesn't really matter. Rules or no rules, my personal opinion is that it is a deliberate lack of respect. But if they want to play that way, no one is going to stop them. I will just respectfully play my way and remove my older box. Not much I can do about it and I am not going to come down to their level and play dirty. Moving on now...
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Reply to: #809484 by System
Oct 9, 2013 5:44am
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I don't think anyone would be breaking the rules on purpose. They must not realize what they're doing.

You'd like to think so, wouldn't you? Unfortunately, I had a boxer plant about 2 feet from one of mine. When I asked them about it, they claimed to not know my box was there. However, they had logged a find on my box 6 months earlier! And even after I asked them to move their poaching plant, they didn't do it. So sometimes knowing the rules doesn't make a lick of difference.
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Reply to: #809544 by TrailTroll
Oct 9, 2013 8:27am
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I just have to add a recent experience with poaching. It was the best series I've ever found. A hoot. 7 boxes poaching upon the next one, all within 100 square feet area. Despite being only feet apart, it took me about an hour and a half to find 6/7 (one was really well hidden - I plan to return).

Funny funny stuff:
Letterbox Cliché - the one that started it all
Poached Kitten
Rogue Kitty
Grumpy Cat
HELLLLOOOOOOOO Kitty!
Contrite Cat
One Pissed Puss
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Reply to: #809574 by Lone R
Oct 9, 2013 9:02am
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That's a scream!
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Reply to: #809574 by Lone R
Oct 9, 2013 9:52am
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BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

~tigs(adding Kitchener, ONT to the Bucket list)
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Reply to: #809574 by Lone R
Oct 9, 2013 10:04am
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*Hysterical laughter*

I'll bet there's a logbook in every one of those boxes, to boot. LOL!
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Reply to: #809574 by Lone R
Oct 9, 2013 11:21am
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These people are hysterical! I love it!

KuKu
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Reply to: #809574 by Lone R
Oct 9, 2013 11:22am
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They have quite a list of finders - How?????????????
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Reply to: #809574 by Lone R
Oct 9, 2013 11:45am
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For the full experience on these, go in and read the comments.

This is a good place to be a letterboxer. :)
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Reply to: #809574 by Lone R
Oct 9, 2013 12:27pm
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You're kind of responsible for that first box, Ms. R - because of this post. What I may have written in those clues notwithstanding, I love this series of stamps in my logbook.

Sorry for the continued thread-jack.
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Reply to: #809620 by Bumble
Oct 9, 2013 12:40pm
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Oh man!!! I had no idea that blog post would reek such havoc. That is sooooooo cooooool. :D Thanks for letting me know that unbeknownst-to-me I was the instigator. I feel like a muse.
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Reply to: #809620 by Bumble
Oct 9, 2013 1:17pm
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That Hello Kitty series is hilarious. That blog entry reminds me of the movie Educating Rita where Michael Cain's professor character is trying to make his student understand slant rhymes, and she says it's "getting the rhyme wrong." Isn't a hybrid just "getting the box wrong?"
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Reply to: #809620 by Bumble
Oct 9, 2013 3:19pm
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Sorry for the continued thread-jack.

NEVER BE SORRY FOR THREAD-JACK!!

BOLDLY WANDER WHERE ALL WILL FOLLOW!! SEIZE THE THREAD AND FIRMLY MARCH OFF INTO THE SUNSET. . . PREFERABLY TOWARDS NC. . .

~tigs ( we have bacon)
Re: LB Code of Conduct - What is "near"?
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Reply to: #809318 by Southern Oracle
Oct 9, 2013 6:45pm
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I am new, so don't know the accepted standard, but I was surprised to find two boxes within 50-100 feet of each other yesterday, each hidden by a different person (not a series). I was glad to find them both, but since there are not a lot around, it was strange that they were so close together.
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Reply to: #809574 by Lone R
Oct 9, 2013 7:28pm
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Omg!! This is an awesome idea.....I may have to poach it ;)
Re: LB Code of Conduct - What is "near"?
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Reply to: #809681 by mom2sage
Oct 9, 2013 8:06pm
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I was surprised to find two boxes within 50-100 feet of each other yesterday, each hidden by a different person

Just out of curiosity, was this location special in any way? Some people plant a letterbox at a location they want to take you to (Look at this view!) or if it is referenced off a distinctive landmark (the only sycamore tree in the park~walk 10 steps pass it...). Those are reasons why they might be "close" to each other.

It is possible that the planters are both unaware of the other's box. Or, they have agreed that it's okay to be in the proximity of each other, or, you have a poacher...(!).

I don't think there is an accepted standard ~ depends on the region. I would say (when you start planting) to always ask. Others would say there are no rules to Letterboxing and do whatever you want.

BTW, welcome! I like to find multiple boxes in an area too!