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Re: Sweetloveqiner Random Color Material
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Reply to: #806262 by Kirbert
Sep 20, 2013 5:19pm
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sandwich stuff

Thank you for letting me know before I had the chance to ask for it from my family.

GH
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Reply to: #806199 by Kirbert
Sep 20, 2013 6:59pm
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Thanks for the detailed review of the Chinese carving block.
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Reply to: #806199 by Kirbert
Sep 21, 2013 11:15am
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I neglected to mention that this sweetloveqiner material is a bit thicker than most. I mic'd it at 7.6mm thick. 1/4" is 6.35mm, so you can see this is about 20% thicker than that.
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Reply to: #806199 by Kirbert
Oct 4, 2013 3:25pm
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Based on Kirbert's review, I ordered this material too. I got 3 pieces of colored (which turned out to be fuscia, yellow, and turquoise) and a piece of white. It only took two weeks, order to arrival, and I second all of Kirbert's observations - very smooth without being overly soft, easy to carve, and inked surface behaves way better, without sanding, washing, or any other prep. I carved some teeny lines and dots as well as larger lines, and background removal. Now I'm putting the sample carve in a baggie in the freezer to see how it holds up to the winter.

For Kirbert - my package came with a piece of material about 8" x 10" and 1/2" thick. It looks like a fine-partical cork-like material, but stiffer and heavier than I would expect cork to be. I think it was for stabilizing the package in transit, but I wonder if it has carving or other craft potential. Was this in your package? Any idea what it is??
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Reply to: #808893 by Wise Wanderer
Oct 4, 2013 5:49pm
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I didn't get that stuff. I'd probably find a use for it, even if it isn't carving!
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Reply to: #808916 by Kirbert
Oct 5, 2013 9:48pm
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Asked the seller what it was, and got this reply:

dear buyer,
the particle cork is a gift for you.After the rubber has been carved,on glue to hold the particle cork and the rubber together,so When you using rubber is more convenient.

Can you understand what I mean?
any question,please feel free to contact me.
Have a nice day!

So apparently the suggested use is as a backing to the stamp. It's much firmer than foam, but not as hard as wood. Hmmmmm . . . maybe a set of coasters or a trivet??
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Reply to: #806199 by Kirbert
Nov 8, 2013 10:41am
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Reviving this thread so people can click on Kirbert's link if they want to order this stuff.

I recently received four colored blocks of this material. Seems pretty nice so far. But I recommend that you consider the white instead of random colors. One of the blocks I got was chocolatey brown, and it's a bit dark for transferring a detailed image. Maybe the seller will give you light colors if you ask.

But I haven't actually tried the white, I'm just assuming it carves like the colored material. And it surely beats new pink.
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Reply to: #814692 by chili pepper
Nov 8, 2013 12:50pm
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I contacted sweetloveqiner and was assured that the white and the colored are the same material, the only difference is the color.

Another reason to opt for the white is that it comes in larger blocks, resulting in less waste and therefore more useful material for the money.
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Reply to: #814692 by chili pepper
Nov 8, 2013 12:51pm
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And I think some well-chewed Double Bubble would beat the new pink.
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Reply to: #814716 by Kirbert
Nov 9, 2013 7:40am
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So you didn't like the new pink either?
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Reply to: #814692 by chili pepper
Nov 10, 2013 3:33am
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No, if you order the color, you get an assortment; I'd requested lighter colors on a recent joint order, and we got about a quarter to a third of darker shades of rubber.
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Reply to: #814955 by paper trail
Nov 10, 2013 9:43am
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I may turn a small chunk of the brown into a Hershey bar hitchhiker :)

I've carved one stamp on the brown. I did a pencil transfer of a fairly simple image, and I ended up having to write over the transferred pencil lines with a fine-point Sharpie so I could see the lines to carve them. I'll try heat and xylene transfers next.
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Reply to: #814715 by Kirbert
Nov 10, 2013 9:45am
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Thanks for the info on the white, Kirbert! I'll definitely order that next time.
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Reply to: #806199 by Kirbert
Aug 8, 2016 3:29am
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Back in September 2013, I bought a single piece of "random color" carving material from sweetloveqiner on etsy, and reviewed it in the message I am replying to now:

http://www.atlasquest.com/boards/message.html?msgId=806199

I liked the stuff, and it set off a group purchase for what came to be called SLQ -- but we bought white instead of random color because it came in larger pieces so there's less waste. Several of us got some, including me. It carved well, but I could never get over the nagging feeling that it wasn't quite as impressive as the original random color piece I had purchased.

Recently I purchased another piece of colored "Chinese stuff" from Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EAGC0KM/ref=twister_B01EAGC0BG?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

You can click on whatever color you want, but I opted for the "yellowish green" because that's the color I tried the first time. Again it took a month to get here. To my surprise, what I got this time was not a solid color but rather a yellowish green/white/yellowish green sandwich.

Tonight I tried carving on a piece of this stuff. Having just finished failing on a 2nd attempt on a piece of Seed "Hard-Type" (see preceding message), the difference in these materials was immediately apparent. While the Seed feels like you're slicing air, this stuff reintroduces the concept of having a bit of resistance to your slicing. And while it's been a while since I carved any white SLQ, I still contend that the yellowish-green cuts better than the white. It feels creamier, if that makes any sense.

I did have some issues, but I'm not entirely sure they weren't because I wasn't used to the material. The stamp came out great even though I thought I had ruined it.

We are left with the question: Are all the colors better than the white? Or just the yellowish-green? Is the seller going to have a run on yellowish-green?

There is one more complicating factor. The trouble with getting good prices and reasonable shipping on Chinese and Japanese materials caused me to walk into a Michael's a coupla weeks back with a 40% off coupon and buy a slab of pink stuff. I have carved one stamp on it, and it wasn't bad at all. It was certainly nowhere near the garbage we were expected to carve with in 2013 -- the reason I was looking into the SLQ stuff in the first place. It would seem that Speedball has actually made progress on bringing that material back toward the stuff we loved. That being the case, Speedy-Carve needs to be reintroduced into the list of currently available carving materials and ranked against the others.

And for me, the current Speedy-Carve may still top the list. And I would rank the Chinese stuff, either white or colored, ahead of Seed "Hard-Type". I do wish we could get Daiso, especially at $1.50 for a 4x3 piece, but it's apparently NLA. If a replacement shows up in a Daiso store, someone grab some and test it out.
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Reply to: #932586 by Kirbert
Aug 8, 2016 7:47am
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Kirbert:

Thank you for the detailed write-ups and material analysis. I find them fascinating and file them away for future material trials myself. Can you summarize your current top say eight available materials, delineating soft and hard and making two lists, one for gouge carving and one for knife? I can make a gouge carvers list for my personal likes for what I have tried:
1a). SLQ white - I love this stuff and get great details out of it ( and use it a lot - practice with any material makes better)
1b) colored sandwich material from sweetloveqiner - I got great detail with the small piece I carved on but cost was prohibitive
2) pre-2012 pink stuff - I carved a lot of stamps with this material
3) OZ (hard but with patience makes great detailed stamps)
4) post-2013 pink stuff - still not quite there in firmness and consistency for my taste but getting closer
5) eco-carve
6) NZ
7) dollar store white erasers
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Reply to: #932586 by Kirbert
Aug 8, 2016 11:12am
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It would seem that Speedball has actually made progress on bringing that material back toward the stuff we loved.

I'm pretty surprised actually at your reviews. Were the slabs of Seed that you carved for these reviews the ones I sent? Remember you said about the rubber bands arriving broken? Could there have been a chemical reaction with the slabs? I ask because I do wonder if the Daiso piece was protected in the plastic envelope I sent it in which you said you really liked - because the hard-type Seed carves just like the Daiso, without crumbling or fall out. Seed is now my favourite for knife carving, and I can get super-fine detail with it and it's really sturdy.

I can't stand the current formulation of pink, mostly because the stuff moves away from the knife or gouge as I'm carving it resulting in crazy distortion. This is with brand new perfectly sharp Xacto blades and gouges.

I will say though that changing between different materials means that I needed to practice on the new type. Having carved with OZ so long, I was used to the mega pressure I needed before and there was a huge different now with the softer Seed, Hankeshi-kun, or Daiso materials. However, once I got in the rhythm of it, I found I much preferred it.
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Reply to: #932603 by FORAYCH
Aug 9, 2016 3:08am
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Here's my wire knife carver list as it currently stands:

1) Speedy-Carve
2) yellowish-green Chinese stuff
3) white Chinese stuff
4) Daiso if I could get it
5) Seed Hard-Type, but only for stamps with no tiny details
6) Dollar Store white erasers

I won't buy Eco-Karve again. I'd take up a new hobby rather than carve that stuff.

OZ is actually kinda fun to gouge carve, but it is wholly unsuitable for wire knife carving. If I'm ever forced to use any, I'm looking for images that call for gouge carving -- which is not my usual style.

Sorry, I've never tried NZ.

You list pre-2012 pink stuff. I'd have it at the top, but it's NLA. Same with orange and white PZ Kut, obviously.
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Reply to: #932617 by Bumble
Aug 9, 2016 3:14am
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I can't stand the current formulation of pink, mostly because the stuff moves away from the knife or gouge as I'm carving it resulting in crazy distortion.

Speedy-Carve has always been soft, even before 2012. You just have to carve your lines even as they move. It's softness has always been an issue with carving, but at the same time it makes it stamp better. Back in the day when I had both orange PZ Kut and Speedy-Carve on hand, I chose the orange PZ Kut for the detailed stamps and Speedy-Carve for the stamps with broad black areas because it would stamp those broad black areas better. PZ Kut was the absolute best for carving, but it really wasn't all that great for stamping or durability. Speedy-Carve arguably is the best compromise between these conflicting objectives.
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Reply to: #932669 by Kirbert
Aug 9, 2016 6:02am
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Pink always been soft, but now it's soft and doesn't like to be cut - no matter if you "carve the lines as they move", the result is lines that wobble :(

I hear you for the large black areas though, but I find the Chinese sandwich material is as good for that. And so because the material doesn't try to move away from my knife while I carve, it's my preference between the two. I am trying to use up the pink I have, and pretty much use it for large stamps with little detail.

For me here in Canada, the pink stuff on sale is about the same price as the lowest priced Chinese sandwich stuff (all costs including shipping considered), so I have switched because it carves better for fine detail and straight lines than the pink.
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Reply to: #932668 by Kirbert
Aug 9, 2016 6:23am
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I'm curious on these lists of favorites, could you mention if they happen to take a heat transfer well? I wouldn't mind trying some new stuff, but can't imagine not using heat transfer. Thanks for the feedback.
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Reply to: #932668 by Kirbert
Aug 9, 2016 7:08am
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Thanks for the list. It sounds like I need to get a piece of the "Chinese stuff" colored or white (I am assuming the white is not what we call SLQ) and see what I can do with it using a gouge.

For what it is worth, I use a laser-printed/acetone transfer on all the materials I listed and get great results. I have not tried a heat transfer method to date, but my printer may be going so I might have to switch to a different transfer method in the future :(
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Reply to: #806199 by Kirbert
Aug 9, 2016 8:13am
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If it is from China and has any paint or dye, I would send a sample to your State lab to be tested for lead and other toxins. And clean up thoroughly if you have kids who might pick up the shavings and transfer them to their mouths. Speaking of which, I checked the Speed Ball website, but they don't divulge where the pink stuff is manufactured.
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Reply to: #932668 by Kirbert
Aug 9, 2016 11:37am
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This is great info Kirbert, and also FORAYCH on your gouge evalution. Has anybody tried some of the alternate materials with an X-acto knife? I would be interested in seeing those results. I could test some of these myself, but am curious about heat transfer on the Chinese materials, the Daiso, and seed. Also, where do I get these? I've looked at Etsy, but there are so many different types, I'm not sure which are the specific ones you've tried.

What I have used:
1) Pink - takes a toner-based heat transfer well; too soft and wobbly for decent carving, particularly any detail. The fuzzies drive me crazy.
2) SQL - I have not been successful with toner-based heat transfer and use acetone transfer on this. I am torn on this because in my experience it is not consistent. It is supple and I love the extra little bit of thickness, but the drag is inconsistent, which is hard to manage as I carve - in spots the knife slides right through, then the next minute I need to push.
3) OZ - Takes toner-based heat transfer well if you break the shine first, either with sandpaper or acetone. Carves decent, but it is a lot of work at times because it is so hard... makes my hand cramp.
4) Dollar Store erasers (the large ones with cupcakes and elephants on them) - I couldn't get a heat transfer to take on these. Carving wasn't really so bad, but again the material is inconsistent and I found both air pockets and hard, grainy spots.
5) Staedtler Grand erasers - I found several of these in some old supplies. They take a heat transfer well and carve like a dream. Downsides are the limited size, and I don't even know that they make these any more as I was looking for them this weekend with no luck.

I need to try some of these other materials you speak of and see how they fare with an X-acto.
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Reply to: #932678 by nosox
Aug 10, 2016 2:11am
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I don't do heat transfers, so I couldn't tell you. Someone else will have to respond about that.
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Reply to: #932680 by FORAYCH
Aug 10, 2016 2:14am
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I think the white is what we call SLQ. SweetLoveQiner doesn't seem to be selling it on Etsy any more, so I suppose keeping that name isn't called for. I don't relish calling it "Chinese stuff" forever, but so far all of the stuff I've tried that is supposedly made in China is 8mm thick and seems to be the same other than color. And AFAIK nobody has yet found any actual brand name for it.
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Reply to: #932696 by SpringChick
Aug 10, 2016 3:52am
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I need to try some of these other materials you speak of and see how they fare with an X-acto.

I carve about 90% with knives these days and have been hell bent to try as many carving mediums as possible. I've been keeping track of all of the reviews I've been doing in one spread sheet [here]. My preferred method of transfer is heat, then I go to acetone if that doesn't work, and then I swear and throw things like a child and default to other methods for transfer. Seed, Hankeshi-Kun, Daiso: all take heat transfer - neither SLQ nor the sandwich does.

SQL ... the drag is inconsistent, which is hard to manage as I carve - in spots the knife slides right through, then the next minute I need to push.

I have the same issue with the SQL material, I find the sandwich style material does not have this intermittent drag issue - having tried many different colour sandwich blocks from a number of different shops.
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Reply to: #932735 by Kirbert
Aug 10, 2016 4:14am
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Reply to: #932739 by Bumble
Aug 10, 2016 4:37pm
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Seed, Hankeshi-Kun, Daiso: all take heat transfer - neither SLQ nor the sandwich does.

Interesting. I would have expected that the factor determining whether heat worked or not would be the toner, not the carving material. What does SLQ do when you attempt a heat transfer?

SQL ... the drag is inconsistent, which is hard to manage as I carve - in spots the knife slides right through, then the next minute I need to push.

OK, are you heat transferrers the only ones reporting these issues? I'm wondering if the heat screws up the surface of the SLQ. I've carved a coupla dozen stamps from the stuff, and while it may not be my all-time favorite, I don't recall any consistency problems at all.
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Reply to: #932741 by paper trail
Aug 10, 2016 4:47pm
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I think that price is better than it was on Etsy *if* you're buying just one piece, but if you're buying a pile it's worse. Either way, still not terribly cheap. I think this one is a better price for what I think is the same stuff:

https://www.amazon.com/10x15cm-Rubber-Carving-Blocks-Stamps/dp/B01EAGC0JI/ref=sr_1_86?s=arts-crafts&ie=UTF8&qid=1468103478&sr=1-86&keywords=stamp+carving+block

There are lots of other retailers on Amazon, Ebay and Etsy offering carving materials made in China. Some are white, some are solid colors, some are sandwich colors. I think they are all 8mm thick. Frankly, I think they are all the same material, from the same manufacturer -- whose identity we still have not discovered. If anyone finds anything made in China that's demonstrably different, please post your findings.
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Reply to: #932761 by Kirbert
Aug 11, 2016 3:55am
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What does SLQ do when you attempt a heat transfer?

There is just no image, not even a trace. The first time I tried, I checked my iron to make sure it was actually on... then I tried longer, which just made a mess, but still no transfer. So I resort to acetone or pencil transfer on SLQ.

OK, are you heat transferrers the only ones reporting these issues? I'm wondering if the heat screws up the surface of the SLQ.

The SLQ stamps I have actually carved have not been heat transfer images because the heat transfer does not work. They have been either acetone transfer or pencil (burnishing an image traced with pencil). I have tried both of these methods and the drag has been an issue with both. Maybe it just depends on the slab of stuff you have... I've only purchased one piece so I don't have another to compare with. Or here's a thought... maybe it is somehow related to the fact that Bumble and I both use an X-acto. I did try a brand new blade on one of my attempts -- it was a little better, as one would expect, but the drag inconsistency was still very noticeable. Is it possible your wire knife is that much sharper or finer that the issue is not apparent to you?