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Reply to: #802047 by FloridaFour
Sep 2, 2013 2:55pm
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Sometimes I have to use a craft knife or the edge of my biggest gouge, to shave already carved lines.

So is an exacto knife the same as a craft knife? I recently watched a knife carver and tried the technique of cutting along the edge of a line and then making an angled cut next to it to remove the material but I really can't see the first line I cut...it just seems to seal back up....which made it impossible for me to cut an angled line next to it. At least with a gouge I can see the line I've made I just sometimes want it to be deeper than my first pass made it.

I have used an exacto to smooth out the gouge lines from the large area around an image and that's mostly a shaving motion almost parallel to the surface of the stamp.

Maybe I really should try the OZ. I was given small scraps of white Speedy Carve recently but haven't had time to try it....how does that compare to the pink or the OZ?

Peace
CTEE
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Reply to: #802050 by CTEagleEye
Sep 2, 2013 3:53pm
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white Speedy Carve recently but haven't had time to try it....how does that compare to the pink or the OZ?

I wouldn't call white Speedy Carve quite craptastic, but it is pretty funky (kinda crumbly), and you will have more trouble getting the fine lines you are after with it than either good pink or OZ. I am happy with Speedy Carve's longevity, though. I used it for my first Tahoe series, and it has held up fairly well for 9 years of pretty good use. I just had to glue foam to the back of one of the stamps that was cracking in half, but with the foam on the back the stamped impression doesn't even show the crack.

I really can't see the first line I cut...it just seems to seal back up...

I don't have any experience using the yellow StazOn ink, but many experienced carvers will advise you to apply it to your stamp material after you transfer your image because it makes it much easier to see where you have carved (removed material will be pink or white, without yellow coating; unremoved material will have a yellow tinge). I don't know it if helps with a single knife line. A magnifier will help with everything.
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Reply to: #802066 by artTrekker
Sep 2, 2013 4:02pm
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I wouldn't call white Speedy Carve quite craptastic, but it is pretty funky (kinda crumbly), and you will have more trouble getting the fine lines you are after with it than either good pink or OZ.

Good to know. Might make good practice pieces though.

..yellow StazOn ink, but many experienced carvers will advise you to apply it to your stamp material after you transfer your image because it makes it much easier to see where you have carved (removed material will be pink or white, without yellow coating; unremoved material will have a yellow tinge).

I have heard of doing that for transfers from parchment paper to keep them from smearing but never thought of it for pencil transfers. It does make sense that the contrasting colors would be a visual advantage. Thanks for the suggestion.
A magnifier will help with everything.

Even with my athlete's foot and ring around the collar? ;) Actually...not sure I want to look at those with a magnifier!

Peace
CTEE
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Reply to: #802070 by CTEagleEye
Sep 2, 2013 4:47pm
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Even with my athlete's foot and ring around the collar? ;) Actually...not sure I want to look at those with a magnifier!

umm, yeah, ew. Everything you need to see.
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Reply to: #802003 by The Wolf Family
Sep 2, 2013 9:08pm
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Perhaps that's what's been putting Cyclonic off about your boxes!
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Reply to: #802030 by CTEagleEye
Sep 2, 2013 9:10pm
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Ha! You wouldn't believe the condition of some of the brand new gouges I have seen!
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Reply to: #801946 by DM Scuba Brat
Sep 2, 2013 9:30pm
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When I first saw this I thought you were looking for tips on how to twerk like Miley Cyrus! I then realized that she had blurred lines.... You were asking about thin lines. Wrong kind of lines.... My bad ;)
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Reply to: #802066 by artTrekker
Sep 2, 2013 9:52pm
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I am happy with Speedy Carve's longevity, though. I used it for my first Tahoe series, and it has held up fairly well for 9 years of pretty good use.

THAT was Speedy Carve?!! I'll say it held up, and with amazing detail and thin lines. Stunning carves.
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Reply to: #802050 by CTEagleEye
Sep 3, 2013 5:51am
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I recently watched a knife carver and tried the technique of cutting along the edge of a line and then making an angled cut next to it to remove the material but I really can't see the first line I cut...it just seems to seal back up....which made it impossible for me to cut an angled line next to it.

Hmmm...I think i resemble that remark.

If you carefully bend the stamp after the first cut, you can see the first line. This was easily done on the old pink, but the new stuff may break if you overdo it.

Also, wear 3X reading glasses even if they make you look like a dork :)
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Reply to: #802050 by CTEagleEye
Sep 3, 2013 6:50am
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I was given small scraps of white Speedy Carve recently but haven't had time to try it....how does that compare to the pink or the OZ?

Ah, the white "stuff"...we bought that once because it was cheaper. In this case, we got what we paid for. Super crumbly and difficult to make intricate cuts on. One thing that we found did help when finer carving had to happen was putting it in the freezer for a few minutes to firm it up. It helped stop the crumble, somewhat.

L&S
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Reply to: #802050 by CTEagleEye
Sep 3, 2013 9:07am
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tried the technique of cutting along the edge of a line and then making an angled cut next to it to remove the material but I really can't see the first line I cut...it just seems to seal back up..

The secret there is to be carving orange PZ Kut. The translucent orange color lights up like a light bulb when it's sliced. The good pink stuff does, too, to a much smaller but still workable extent.

..which made it impossible for me to cut an angled line next to it.

Well, as a knife carver of considerable experience, allow me to confess that I don't do that. I make the slice along the edge of the image, and then I come back with a needle or gouge to remove the rubber. The gouge will readily follow the existing slice and dig pieces out with ease. The needle is used only to remove pieces that are too narrow for a gouge to fit in there.
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Reply to: #802291 by Kirbert
Sep 3, 2013 11:11am
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The secret there is to be carving orange PZ Kut.

Kirbert, why even bring it up? We may be only dreaming.

"Jam yesterday and jam tomorrow, but never jam today."
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Reply to: #802331 by artTrekker
Sep 3, 2013 11:58am
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Without dreaming, I'd be tempted to give up this pastime for good. Carving OZ is certainly not my idea of fun. If something better doesn't come along soon, I'm probably going to have to take up knitting or bridge.
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Reply to: #802331 by artTrekker
Sep 3, 2013 12:55pm
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"Jam yesterday and jam tomorrow, but never jam today."

Oh, sure! Guilt the puffin - go ahead! ;-)

Webfoot (who is working on a new set of orange samples...)
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Reply to: #802368 by Webfoot
Sep 3, 2013 12:59pm
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Webfoot (who is working on a new set of orange samples...)

Oh how I missed the orange
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Reply to: #802368 by Webfoot
Sep 3, 2013 1:26pm
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No!! I didn't mean to guilt the puffin!! Really I didn't! I'm just trying not to get my hopes up or live in the past. I know you are working diligently and spending money trying to make us all happy. I just think someone new has to learn to work with what there is (as do the rest of us) without being confused about some mythical wonder-material that isn't available.

aT, with greatest apologies to the puffin
and who was so delighted by the translucent character of the orange--I would carve in on a light table and that "light up like a candle" quality was greatly enhanced
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Reply to: #802377 by artTrekker
Sep 3, 2013 3:15pm
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No!! I didn't mean to guilt the puffin!! Really I didn't!

I was teasing! Besides, the puffin is feeling impatient with the process, right along with everyone else! LOL!

All the best!!

Webfoot
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Reply to: #802368 by Webfoot
Sep 3, 2013 7:51pm
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You know my address!
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Reply to: #802368 by Webfoot
Sep 3, 2013 8:08pm
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who is working on a new set of orange samples...

If you need testers, count me in. :)

dp
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Reply to: #802291 by Kirbert
Sep 4, 2013 9:53am
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The secret there is to be carving orange PZ Kut. The translucent orange color lights up like a light bulb when it's sliced. The good pink stuff does, too, to a much smaller but still workable extent.

It's also been suggested to use Staz-On Mustard to accentuate the difference between carved and uncarved areas. If that doesn't work well on pink then I may have to try orange PZ.

Well, as a knife carver of considerable experience, allow me to confess that I don't do that. I make the slice along the edge of the image, and then I come back with a needle or gouge to remove the rubber. The gouge will readily follow the existing slice and dig pieces out with ease. The needle is used only to remove pieces that are too narrow for a gouge to fit in there.

Ahh, true confessions :) Again a wonderful suggestion for me to try out.

Thanks for all the help.
CTEE
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Reply to: #802233 by chili pepper
Sep 4, 2013 10:00am
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Hmmm...I think i resemble that remark.

Yup! 'Twas you whom I was watching :0

If you carefully bend the stamp after the first cut, you can see the first line. This was easily done on the old pink, but the new stuff may break if you overdo it.

Thanks for the advice. I'll give it a try.

Also, wear 3X reading glasses even if they make you look like a dork :)

Wearing 3X over my current reading glasses seems like it won't work well and I'm not sure how it would work instead of my reading glasses.....time to visit the Dollar store to check out the 3X. Then we can look dorky together or I can get a lighted magnifier lamp and take dorky to a whole new level ;) Kinda prefer the 3X though since they can be used anywhere and don't need electricity.....though that's an idea....light up 3X glasses! LOL

Peace
CTEE
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Reply to: #802613 by CTEagleEye
Sep 4, 2013 10:26am
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It's also been suggested to use Staz-On Mustard to accentuate the difference between carved and uncarved areas.

No, these are two different concepts. The use of Staz-On Mustard (or any other permanent light color ink) is a trick that gouge carvers use to clearly delineate where they've carved. When a sliver is removed, the un-inked white underneath clearly stands out. But this does nothing for a knife carver, because no sliver is removed. For a knife carver, the only solution is orange PZ Kut or pink stuff or some other material that brightens when sliced. Yeah, you can bend the material and watch the slices open up, but that's a PITA. When knife-carving a material that doesn't show me what's been cut, I usually just establish a pattern to help me remember what I've cut and what I haven't, and then do the bending at the end as a check to make sure I didn't forget anything.
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Reply to: #802614 by CTEagleEye
Sep 4, 2013 10:29am
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Wearing 3X over my current reading glasses seems like it won't work well and I'm not sure how it would work instead of my reading glasses...

Uhhh, yes, it does. Michael's sells a pair of clip-on reading glasses for about $10 or so, +2.25 power. Since I use prescription reading glasses with +2.00 magnification, I just clip these on top for carving. They flip up when I need to see something a foot away.
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Reply to: #802623 by Kirbert
Sep 8, 2013 1:22pm
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Michael's sells a pair of clip-on reading glasses for about $10 or so, +2.25 power.

I checked at my Michael's yesterday and could only find 1.5x. I'll keep looking. Sounds like a good solution.
Peace
CTEE
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Reply to: #803459 by CTEagleEye
Sep 8, 2013 1:28pm
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Check out your dollar stores in area and poke around for suitable containers
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Reply to: #803459 by CTEagleEye
Sep 8, 2013 1:30pm
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OO OO OO!!

Walgreen's has a 3X magnifier for reading Rx bottles that sells for under $3! it clips onto the material and works for standing up carving!! whoo hoo! i found it yesterday. i'm so excited. It reminds me of ElectricMedic's little jewelry loupe, only it's actually bigger, hinges out of the way (thus it's movable) and has a clip on it.

it is not my light up lamp, attached to my table, which i really like. However, this one is portable and definitely works.

~tigs
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Reply to: #803464 by tiggermama
Sep 8, 2013 1:46pm
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it clips onto the material and works for standing up carving

Wow! That does sound quite useful. Do you mean it clips onto the carving material? Are you saying you stand up to carve or do you mean the magnifier stands up?

Also, in poking around I found another possibility that clips onto the handle of craft tools.....maybe the Speedball pen holder?

Thoughts?
CTEE
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Reply to: #803464 by tiggermama
Sep 11, 2013 6:11pm
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Walgreen's has a 3X magnifier for reading Rx bottles that sells for under $3! it clips onto the material and works for standing up carving!! whoo hoo! i found it yesterday. i'm so excited.

Looked at my local Walgreens today and couldn't find this item. I even asked about it and the pharmacist had no clue. Darn!

CTEE
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Reply to: #802368 by Webfoot
Sep 14, 2013 10:01pm
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Webfoot (who is working on a new set of orange samples...)

Thanks Webfoot.

Is it going to be the same color orange? It would be kind of nice to see a different color. For one thing, it would help us distinguish between the old and new. It doesn't have to be neon green, but something different would be nice.