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Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968684 by NandJ
Nov 26, 2018 7:30am
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I think there is no question that there are some in letterboxing who are elitists - and elite things are, well, elite. Perhaps Geocaching has a greater following than letterboxing because they aren't elite. No one says you have to find the stamps that aren't handcarved - or look for boxes that don't require you to climb Mount Kilamanjaro - but I do think it would be easier to get people interested in the hobby and the craft if they had an easier entry point.

I suppose where one lives must make a difference. In my area, there are MANY boxes that are good for an easy entry point. Granted, several of those are mine. In fact, all my boxes are either urban or drive-bys. I'm not a hiker (or even much of a walker these days), so I suppose I'm not in the group you consider the "elite". So, I plant boxes that I would like to find, the kind of boxes I found when I first started. If it's an easy find, make it an interesting place to find it. If the place isn't as interesting, make it a challenge to find. If you want to make some easier boxes to try to attract new people, by all means, do so. But I suggest you make something about them intriguing enough to keep people interested in continuing.

GremLandS
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968733 by Rocklun
Nov 26, 2018 8:05am
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I've encountered wasps/bees in guardrails on multiple occasions.

About a third of the time there seems to be a nest, old empty one, or a geocache.

Btw, we all randomly check guard rails at interesting locations right?
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968709 by Oberon_Kenobi
Nov 26, 2018 9:26am
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...neologisms with "scare quotes".

What the heck are "scare quotes"
then I Googled it
The Chicago Manual of Style says: Quotation marks are often used to alert readers that a term is used in a nonstandard (or slang), ironic, or other special sense. Nicknamed scare quotes, they imply, “This is not my term” or “This is not how the term is usually applied.”Jan 28, 2013

Can I go home now? I've learned something new.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968713 by Rocklun
Nov 26, 2018 9:29am
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I'm generally wary of light poles because where there's a light pole, there might be a camera, where's there's a camera, there might be someone watching who just might wonder what's going on.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968696 by MissMoon
Nov 26, 2018 11:02am
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Just for the sake of the conversation - I have been boxing for close to 20 years. I just didn't come to AQ until this summer. Really, no need to be snarky. It was just a simple thought.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968708 by MissMoon
Nov 26, 2018 11:06am
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i think the original post was a off season proxy for one of wassa's april fools jokes and you were all taken in by it
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968750 by NandJ
Nov 26, 2018 1:33pm
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Below is my initial response
https://www.atlasquest.com/boards/message.php?msgId=968707

Now that you've revealed that you have been boxing for almost 20 years your original post is pure troll or a gag. 30 commercial stamp light post boxes in parking lots? Fess up! There are not many 20-year boxers in circulation!

:)
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968750 by NandJ
Nov 26, 2018 1:53pm
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Really, no need to be snarky.

It's not being snarky to express the opinion that I don't feel it's necessary or a good idea to dummy down boxing in order to entice not particularly interested people into doing it. It's not snarky to point out that your impression of all boxes being buried deep in the woods is incorrect. It's not snarky to point out that there are tons of easy boxes for people to find.

And one would wonder why, if you've been boxing for 20 years as you say, you didn't point that out in your original post???? If it's true it would have given a totally different impression of your intent. It would not change my opinion and probably not the opinions of several others *about* the idea of planting the 30 easy boxes to entice people into boxing. But a 20 year boxer offering an idea like that is quite different than a newbie offering it up. Not better, just different.

I find it interesting that after these 20 years you have all of a sudden decided to plant three boxes and ask where to buy stamps. And if you've been around for 20 years you should *know* there are lots of easy boxes and be able to communicate this to potential boxers.

Your response to Kelsung......
Are you depressed because people new to the hobby maybe don't see it the same way you do? - isn't that true of nearly any hobby?

Since you say you haven't been able to entice anyone into boxing it gives the impression that you are new.

Geocaching has a greater following than letterboxing because they aren't elite.

Ok, they have a greater following....so what? And I think that boxing for 20 years.....if it's true ......and not joining AQ and the rest of the messy crowd is a lot more elitist than any of us ever could be.

Like someone just said while I was typing this......troll or gag. Pick one.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968679 by NandJ
Nov 26, 2018 2:22pm
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I’m predicting the much-maligned newbie smackdown, as most of us have had this very lament and postulated to the boards all kinds of ways to improve the hobby. You are in very good company.

This is the first time I’ve seen someone post every, single letterboxers’ pet peeves all in one fool-proof solution -- except maybe suggesting people shout “Rah-rah” while conspicuously and badly rehiding the box with a ten-foot pile of – oh, wait. We’re in the parking lot. Nevermind.

I’ll be as gentle as I can. It’s easy to defend those who prefer/need short hikes over long, don’t particularly care about the artistry of the boxes, (i.e. store-bought stamps and lamp skirts in parking lots), aren’t interested in planting or carving (it’s always been fine to box and not plant a blessed thing – come find my boxes!), cannot tolerate disappointment (box might be missing), and cannot or will not invest any time pursuing hobby, and probably don’t much like walking at all. Any of those are pretty fine, but what you have when you have all of them? Someone who just gave you the, “I can’t go out with you on Saturday because I’m washing my hair.”

Do you really want this? I try to plant something I myself would like to find. Am I supposed to stop handcarving stamps, seeking out suitable/interesting/pretty or at least safe places to plant, start buying stamps and planting places where retrieval is effortless and guaranteed – essentially going backward skill-wise -- to accommodate people who need a simpler form of letterboxing?

We have to further dumb down a hobby that at its basic level is essentially reading while walking? Do YOU want to go letterboxing with those folks? I guess every shampoo bottle has its lid.

I would say that the dearth of letterboxers is perhaps already related to the unlathered mass’ antipathy toward sweat equity. I’d say there’s room for all kinds for sure, but why work so hard swaying the uninterested? Let them lather, rinse, repeat.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968740 by dingus dufus
Nov 26, 2018 3:26pm
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Btw, we all randomly check guard rails at interesting locations right?

Oh, man. That was you? Sorry about the puddle.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968766 by Wry Me
Nov 26, 2018 3:37pm
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Oh, man. That was you? Sorry about the puddle.

By “puddle”, you mean ‘brown spot’?
Heathen!
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968758 by MissMoon
Nov 26, 2018 7:11pm
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I hung out at letterboxing.org for a really long time - until I found it got way out of date, and I took about a five year hiatus while my mom was declining due to dementia. I mean, really, I have no reason to lie about that or any of it. I used a different name on letterboxing.org - changed it when I came here because I started hunting with a friend and it seemed appropriate to include him.

It wasn't your disagreement that I thought was snarky - it was the insistence that I am obviously ignorant and ill-informed because I have only used THIS website for 4 months. There is a whole wide world out there - way broader than a single website and the opinions of a handful of people.

You seem super defensive of your right to be cranky. Not sure why. If you want to be cranky, then knock yourself out.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968738 by Gremlands
Nov 26, 2018 7:18pm
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If it's an easy find, make it an interesting place to find it. If the place isn't as interesting, make it a challenge to find.

I can do that, but I don't think that the local boxers would appreciate me planting in thorny bushes and trees, up in a tree, or even on a cliff. I've done all of these for geocachers in my area, but I don't think that local letterboxers would appreciate that type of challenge.

I plant for my boxes to be found, but I will try for more challenging locations. Maybe I'll even do some gadget boxes.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968763 by Wry Me
Nov 26, 2018 7:30pm
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We have to further dumb down a hobby that at its basic level is essentially reading while walking?

Don't you mean reading ***and*** thinking while walking?
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968774 by NandJ
Nov 26, 2018 7:33pm
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You seem super defensive of your right to be cranky. Not sure why. If you want to be cranky, then knock yourself out.

There is a lot of that going on here.

Learn to enjoy the snark. It can be entertaining.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968777 by Oberon_Kenobi
Nov 26, 2018 7:38pm
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There is a lot of that going on here.

Learn to enjoy the snark. It can be entertaining.

Yes, you can be.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968778 by MissMoon
Nov 26, 2018 7:59pm
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Learn to enjoy the snark. It can be entertaining.

Yes, you can be.

Who? Me?
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968776 by Oberon_Kenobi
Nov 26, 2018 9:14pm
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Don't you mean reading ***and*** thinking while walking?

Too many things! Pop!
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968787 by Wry Me
Nov 27, 2018 6:57am
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I deleted the last six-or-so posts to this board. This thread was getting a little nasty. I'm not moving it to the dead lemurs board--yet--but just a reminder that personal attacks against others are not appropriate. Disagreeing opinions are fine, but keep it civil.

-- Ryan
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968798 by Green Tortuga
Nov 27, 2018 7:05am
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I thought the horse was dead, the lemurs were just flung.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968798 by Green Tortuga
Nov 27, 2018 8:43am
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Disagreeing opinions are fine, but keep it civil.

Don't make me stop this car!
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968798 by Green Tortuga
Nov 27, 2018 12:43pm
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Oh, wow, the dead lemurs board! It's been an awfully long time since anyone got excited enough about anything boxing related to have a thread even considered to be moved there. Ah, the good old days... ;)
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968823 by frankie and benjy
Nov 27, 2018 12:45pm
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I was just reminiscing about RogueOne.

Warrior Woman
remembers
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968824 by Warrior Woman
Nov 27, 2018 2:19pm
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OMG!!!!!! Don't even open up that can or worms again!!!
cell phone policies
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Nov 27, 2018 3:58pm
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I know we live in an age where people need access to their phones - but where I work - they have bereted us with policy after policy to get people to work. As I don't look at mine at work - I'll avoid answering ANY phone at all cost - every time I have to listen to new policy updates it drives me nuts...

Do you have cell phone policies at work? If so - what are they and how does your company enforce them? Because where I work - they fail miserably and have now resorted to a 'zero tolerance' policy... this as we install turnstiles to get into work because people are afraid of their co-workers carry guns and shooting each other in our work place. lowers eyes, and shakes head at where we've been reduced to
Re: cell phone policies
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968828 by mudflinginfools
Nov 27, 2018 4:23pm
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My employer seems to have gone the opposite direction - embracing the technology wave of personal devices. There is a "bring your own device" practice is place where they have developed or purchased secure apps for people to use to receive business email and instant messages from co-workers even. They have also allowed people to turn in their office (wired) phones and use their personal cell phones for business and personal calls. There has always been policies in place to ban person use of company computers for personal web surfing and social media but it is only discouraged on personal devices during "company" time. Breaks and lunchtime are fine. Since the vast majority of employees are salaried, as opposed to hourly, workers it is assumed that as long as you get your assigned work responsibilities done well then you are doing okay.
Re: cell phone policies
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968828 by mudflinginfools
Nov 27, 2018 5:03pm
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The cell phone policies where I work are being relaxed more and more. As a matter of fact, we are encouraged to use them to enhance customer experience. Also, the convenience of being able to text both hourly and salary co-workers is more expedient than hunting them down or paging them. And from a billion dollar corporation's point of view, if the minions can communicate freely on their own dime, why not? It saves 'the man' from having to invest in walkies and saves man hours in running after the few landlines we have.
Re: cell phone policies
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968828 by mudflinginfools
Nov 27, 2018 5:22pm
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At the airlines, we are not supposed to use our own phone while onboard the aircraft working. However the company has issued us a company " tablet" which is a Samsung phone, it does not work as a phone but as a tablet for us to receive and send company emails, I we can only surf company websites and it also contains all our manuals and even specific flight information ( like passenger manifests etc ) So now passengers think we are on our phones all the time when really I'm looking up connection info or weather. Or seat assignments. ( is that dog supposed to be in a carrier or is it a " service animal"?? Etc etc etc

Amanda from Seattle
Re: cell phone policies
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968828 by mudflinginfools
Nov 27, 2018 5:26pm
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Studies have shown that workers are more productive if they are able to take a few minutes every hour to check their phones or chat with a coworker. Your company's policy may actually be having the opposite affect that they intended.

TG
Re: cell phone policies
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968828 by mudflinginfools
Nov 27, 2018 7:27pm
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I don't touch my phone at work, if I can help it, at all. Being a personal trainer, people are paying me *very* well to give them my undivided attention. This doesn't bother me at all, and I carry a flip phone, because it does what I need it to do, and is really easy to ignore.