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Re: Memorial Day Carve... and mounting
Board: Stamp Carving and Mounting
Reply to: #968338 by TheKindlyVikings
Nov 25, 2018 9:23am
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wow - great carve
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968679 by NandJ
Nov 25, 2018 9:29am
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Strictly my opinion--for what it is worth

I applaud your wanting to share the hobby. My concern is that by planting a large number of commercial stamps under lamp post skirts in generic parking lots, you will be watering down the quality of boxes as those who find these plants will think that commercial stamps under lamp post skirts in generic parking lots are the norm and either not be inspired to search further, or be inspired to reproduce more of the same.

And those wonderful boxes,that are a bit off the beaten path will continue to sit unfound, and newbies in your area will not know the joy of hand carved stamps.

What if you planted one or two boxes specific for that person you are trying to hook? Don't make them "throw away" boxes, but short walks or quality drive bys with appropriate stamps and fun clues to help them see the fun of boxing.

Just a thought
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968680 by Kelsung
Nov 25, 2018 9:30am
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Kelsung -

I'm a little confused by your comment.

Are you depressed because people new to the hobby maybe don't see it the same way you do? - isn't that true of nearly any hobby?

Or are you depressed because non-letterboxers have these perceptions? I think there is no question that there are some in letterboxing who are elitists - and elite things are, well, elite. Perhaps Geocaching has a greater following than letterboxing because they aren't elite. No one says you have to find the stamps that aren't handcarved - or look for boxes that don't require you to climb Mount Kilamanjaro - but I do think it would be easier to get people interested in the hobby and the craft if they had an easier entry point.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargainI
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968683 by Mama Stork
Nov 25, 2018 9:33am
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I do, of course, recognize your fear about 'watering down.' But I think looking at it from the perspective that most hobbyists begin with something simple. Coin collections are started with a single silver quarter. Stamp collections are started with a single foreign postage stamp. And so forth and so on. Once you enjoy something about a hobby -- running a 5K - you look to running a marathon.

I will give it some more thought - I haven't invested any time or money yet, so I'm not sold on it completely, but I think that things that are hard to begin are hard to begin.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968684 by NandJ
Nov 25, 2018 9:40am
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but I do think it would be easier to get people interested in the hobby and the craft if they had an easier entry point.

I, like Kelsung, find the idea of 20 or 30 such letterboxes in one area problematic. My fear would be people would find such boxes and conclude that is the norm so why bother--never would they find those letterboxes that make one go, "Oh, my! That is what the fuss is all about."
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968679 by NandJ
Nov 25, 2018 11:25am
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I'd like to find a really good deal on the stamps as I'd like to do about 20 or 30 of these.

When I go into a thrift store. I see bags of commercial stamps at Savers whenever I go in there. If you really go through with this, this is where you can get a variety of inexpensive stamps, to answer the question.

I know that people around here don't like commercially produced stamps. Nevertheless, I seek them. I kind of like the hide.

Plus, in a specific case I'm thinking of, a new boxer was hiding commercial stamps, the set of small animal stamps available at one of the craft stores. After hiding all of this set of stamps, this boxer started carving her own.

But in the case of this topic, this boxer wants to encourage/recruit new boxers by planting easy-to-find boxes. Every region that I know of has some wild places that aren't very far from parking. The only problem that I see is that clues in the wild places are more difficult to reference unique landmarks than in a parking lot, with the boxes' own ubiquitous covering.

I'll tell you that I wanted to hide a box in a lamp post. Through discussions (badgering) here, I found a place near the store that isn't a lamp post. I still have to actually carve the stamp. However, I may still go back to the lamp post because I've seen what happens to containers that are placed under enough rocks to hide them, even when you tell people to be careful.

Still, do what you want. I'm going to do what I want. And others will do the same. People will complain, and we can chose to listen to them, or not.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968686 by Wronghat
Nov 25, 2018 11:29am
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Agreed. And N=1, but I'm not sure that this is really going to achieve your goal of getting new boxers excited about the hobby. What really got me hooked when I was new was finding really cool, interesting boxes whether that meant finding a box that made me see a familiar place in a new way or finding an amazing stamp/logbook that someone had made. If all I found were store-bought stamps in parking lots, I'm not sure that I'd still be letterboxing.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968684 by NandJ
Nov 25, 2018 12:36pm
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I am guessing I felt about the same way as Kelsung when I read your post. It's not that lots of people feel they are "too busy" or "not artistic enough" to letterbox. That doesn't bother me at all ~ they may be right. Letterboxing has survived for a long time without people who are timid about trying something unusual that everyone else doesn't do, especially when verbal explanations don't really convey the level of coolness and fun that's involved.

My first reaction was Oh, no, not more drivebys under lamp post skirts.
Why? Because it sets the standard, the norm, the definition of what letterboxing is, and it isn't that. What ever happened to taking people to a worthy destination? That is, I believe, part of the package.

Beginners should experience the variety of letterboxing - drivebys, short hikes, easy puzzles, stamps by several carvers (early carves and OH MY! carves), and they should fail to find a box once in a while because that's what happens. Spoon feeding adults just doesn't make sense to me.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968689 by Maude
Nov 25, 2018 1:08pm
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Beginners should experience the variety of letterboxing - drivebys, short hikes, easy puzzles, stamps by several carvers (early carves and OH MY! carves), and they should fail to find a box once in a while because that's what happens. Spoonfeeding adults just doesn't make sense to me.

Trying VERY hard not to jump into the AQ database and put 100000 "Agrees" on this post...

Let's face it, there are ALREADY more than enough "Lamppost Boxes" and drive-bys, that we don't need to dumb things down even more. My fear is that we are already chasing off a lot of folks who ARE creative, adventurous, artistic, and clever, by offering fewer and fewer new "cool" boxes to hold interest... not every box has to be a masterpiece, but every box SHOULD have SOME redeeming quality!

If someone is insistent on just the lowest-of-low-hanging fruit... well, that's why there are Munzees.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968689 by Maude
Nov 25, 2018 1:12pm
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I guess I feel like if someone told me no three times about something, especially three big noes that, be they misperceptions or not, will diminish their enjoyment of boxing, I'd just let it go. Yes there aren't as many boxers, but I want the new ones to be excited from the get-go, not half-reluctant and lukewarm at best. True, they might try it and be sold on it, but I tend to feel like people who can't say no outright, but who try their damnedest to do so, should be heard at the first no. It's okay to correct misperceptions, but not every hobby is really for every person. I just want boxers who are super excited to box, even if they only find five a year.

For what it's worth, if my first finds had been lamppost boxes? I never ever would have continued doing this. My first find was a beautiful tribute box for a man who died of ALS and the stamp was really lovely. It (a) taught me something and made me feel connected, however briefly, to the person that planted it (b) showed me what carvers can do, even though I didn't know how to carve and didn't feel learning at the time (c) took me to a cool spot, taught me how to use a compass and I stumbled into what an SPOR is and (d) showed me that something could be hiding in plain sight in a place I'd visited twenty times before.

It is true, there is a box for every boxer, but I feel like every drive-bys should be a little more than just racking up a number. A huge number of carvers have tons of stamps laying around. When I first started planting, I did so primarily with other people's stamps. I think what I would have told your friend is this: not everyone needs to carve or plant to box. It's perfectly fine to find them only and you can give back to the community by bringing duct tape to fix boxes, empty logbooks to replace the wet ones, and plastic baggies to replace the busted ones. There are many ways to contribute that don't have to cost much, be it financial, physical, or emotional.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968679 by NandJ
Nov 25, 2018 1:18pm
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Does anyone know where someone can find a set of small stamps for a bargain?

Yes, the stamp exchange on this site. There are often people offering stamps.

Also, you can send me your address through AQmail and I will send you some simple carves I have around for you to plant. They aren't super special but if planted in interesting places with a reasonable logbook and box, they may lead to your goal of more and hopefully satisfied letterboxers.

FORAYCH - Jeff
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968689 by Maude
Nov 25, 2018 1:29pm
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Spoon feeding adults just doesn't make sense to me.

Well said.
Re: Changing the type of box
Board: Stupider Questions About Letterboxing
Reply to: #968678 by Green Tortuga
Nov 25, 2018 1:33pm
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Awesome ty
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968692 by FORAYCH
Nov 25, 2018 1:50pm
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I also have a very simple carve I am willing to send you if it meets your theme.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968679 by NandJ
Nov 25, 2018 2:01pm
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I think the troll comment might be a bit much but having said that....

I see no reason to "dummy down" letterboxing to appeal to your friend or anyone else who isn't interested.

But the impression is they are deep in the woods in hard-to-get to spots.

Who's impression? Yours? In the four months you've been boxing is that your impression? Then you've missed something somewhere. There are varied ways to box....hiking in deep woods, urban boxes of many kinds, lamp post boxes (of which there are tons), drive-bys of different kinds, boxes inside business establishments, small city parks, urban areas that have trails, parking lots of different places, cemeteries. And I'm sure I haven't named them all. I've spent entire days just driving from cemetery to cemetery.

There are plenty of "easy finds". There are plenty of boxes that don't mean long hikes in deep woods.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968679 by NandJ
Nov 25, 2018 2:01pm
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But the impression is they are deep in the woods in hard-to-get to spots.

I am curious where someone just being told about letterboxing would get that impression. Most of the people I have spoken to about letterboxing have never heard of it and so have no pre-conceived notions at all. If you start off telling them about that great hand-carved stamp you found recently after a five mile hike that hadn't been found in years before then THAT is the first impression they are going to form.

If you start off telling people about all the great people you have met or the fun you have had boxing with your kids or the great exercise you are getting now going after boxes in nearby parks and walking trails then THAT is the first impression they will have.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968697 by PI Joe
Nov 25, 2018 2:07pm
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If you start off telling people about all the great people you have met or the fun you have had boxing with your kids or the great exercise you are getting now going after boxes in nearby parks and walking trails then THAT is the first impression they will have.

Good points. I didn't even think about the social aspect of it.

At the risk of harping on the fact that the original poster has been boxing for a grand total of four months, what kind of impression can someone that new *give* to another person? She can't say she has made life long friends, gone to many wonderful events and met great people.

Again...good points.
Re: Looking for a Challenge?
Board: State: Massachusetts
Reply to: #968672 by Nairon
Nov 25, 2018 2:10pm
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That is so cool!! I must do some scrolling. :)
Popobully birthday event
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Nov 25, 2018 2:31pm
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So the story is that singing cars got this cootie placed on them, at popobullys birthday party...they then gave it one of the cross memebers at my party... There is not number or name of who carved it so Im trying to help find the owner of this lucy cootie or get the information so they can log their find. Picture below of cootie.

https://i.imgur.com/DiwFx8n.jpg
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968689 by Maude
Nov 25, 2018 3:34pm
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[...] and OH MY! carves

There is one of those around here that I'm thinking of. It is in an indoor location, and I don't even know if they know it is there. The difficulty comes in figuring out the clue that gets you there.

Stealth is also required.

It helped that when I found it we had three people so that we could have two look-outs.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968690 by wassamatta u
Nov 25, 2018 3:49pm
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not every box has to be a masterpiece, but every box SHOULD have SOME redeeming quality!

That's what I'm trying to do with the lamp post box that I'm thinking of doing. As soon as I saw the image, I thought that it should be a stamp. It will certainly be a challenge for me to carve. If/when placed it will be my very first drive-by.

If someone is insistent on just the lowest-of-low-hanging fruit... well, that's why there are Munzees.

I chase those too, but not nearly as much as I did at my peak. My goal is at least one per day. I think my peak day during the last month was a dozen.

But isn't Pokemón Go even easier to get?

Maybe not, because the virtual munzees that I mostly get don't even require that I get out of my car; I just need to get within 150 - 500 feet, depending on the virtual munzee.

However, that doesn't show the amount of effort required for my letterboxes. I just checked on my traditional plants, and the closest requires walking a few hundred feet, and is findable in the winter. (It will be replaced soon.) I have a series that is 1.2 miles each way, on level ground. The longest distance is 1.4 miles each way and about 200 foot elevation gain.

I like planting and finding a variety.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968691 by PiggyJaunt
Nov 25, 2018 3:58pm
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For what it's worth, if my first finds had been lamppost boxes? I never ever would have continued doing this.

My very first find was a simple carve in a park where I have two geocaches. I was looking for the letterbox, but I didn't have a stamp back then. When I finally carved my own stamp, this was the first letterbox that I stamped it into. Then I started finding other letterboxes.

In my geocache hybrid letterboxes I have always planted hand-carved stamps. Except for my very first one they are cross-posted here. That first one is too far from any distinct landmarks to be able to find without a GPSr.

Except for one geocacher whose mother is a letterboxer (and carves his stamps), all of the geocache letterboxes I've found have used store-bought stamps. I'm trying to bring geocachers over to this obsession hobby. I've got a few nibbles, but no bites yet.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968698 by MissMoon
Nov 25, 2018 4:15pm
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At the risk of harping on the fact that the original poster has been boxing for a grand total of four months, what kind of impression can someone that new *give* to another person?

Please don't dump on the new person. We were all new once.

That being said, she is trying to do something to bring in new boxers. The consensus is that lamp post skirts are the lowest form of drive-by boxes. As a geocacher (and munzee-er) there are easier ("lower" if you like) drive-bys: fire hydrants and STOP signs.

Now, after saying that, I'm planning on a small series to be planted on lamp posts and a fire hydrant. However, I'm getting creative with the clues so that it should still be fun. One of the reasons I'm doing this is to see how small I can make a stamp and still make it worthwhile to find. For anyone has found my Dreamtime: Antelope Herd, that border with the antelope was carved on the side of a piece of OZ. That is the size that I'm aiming for, but with more detail.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968690 by wassamatta u
Nov 25, 2018 4:34pm
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I agree, and sometimes you have look for a letterbox that sucks!
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargainI
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968685 by NandJ
Nov 25, 2018 4:44pm
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Share an interesting place that you yourself enjoy visiting! This adds your voice and vision to your plants. A scenic vista, historical location, great hike, or even your favorite ice cream stand(a double reward or a bribe for noxer tag-a-longs) Those are nice places to send a new boxer & all the other boxers in your planting area.

Also try your hand at writing a clue based hunt. Something as simple as "Go to the town famous for . . . " "then find the park named after our 16th president" "take the trail that's a real buzz (bee trail)" Then it becomes an interesting hunt when searchers have to piece a few things together.

I'd personally try to "steer clear" of light poles ;)
(unless there was a significant attraction there & you couldn't plant it anywhere else)

Good luck & happy planting!
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968705 by Oberon_Kenobi
Nov 25, 2018 4:49pm
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Please don't dump on the new person. We were all new once

Excuse me, I am not "dumping" on the new person by making the very valid point that a new boxer of only four months cannot really give anyone else a true impression of letterboxing because a boxer of only four months has not yet the experience to have developed a true impression of the entire world of letterboxing.

Do not make me out to be the bad guy because I chose to make a valid point. Thus making yourself the good guy.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968708 by MissMoon
Nov 25, 2018 5:33pm
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Please don't dump on the new person. We were all new once

Excuse me, I am not "dumping" on the new person by making the very valid point that a new boxer of only four months cannot really give anyone else a true impression of letterboxing because a boxer of only four months has not yet the experience to have developed a true impression of the entire world of letterboxing.

Okay, they cannot give "a true impression of the entire world of letterboxing." However, they can give a closer idea of what new letterboxer sees about letterboxing.

Do not make me out to be the bad guy because I chose to make a valid point. Thus making yourself the good guy.

I'm not trying to make you out to be the "bad guy". I am attempting to defend the point of the "new guy" who is trying to bring in new boxers.

The original poster (NandJ) was relating what was discussed with one of her friends. From this discussion NandJ came up with the (proposed) solution of planting more drive-bys in lamp posts. I'm saying that, despite the consensus of not liking lamp post boxes, do what you want.

However, there have been some people who have offered to carve stamps to plant. I have also suggested that there are places to plant that aren't parking lots but are also not far from parking. Though in wild places there are fewer distinct landmarks making it more difficult to plant where you can make simple clues for beginners.

I'm sorry that I said something that caused you to think I was making you into the "bad guy". I certainly didn't mean to do so. I'm certain that somewhere in these forums I've sometimes "dumped on the new guy", but in general I'm for treating the "new guy" with "kid gloves" so as to not scare them off, and in treating neologisms with "scare quotes". ;-)
Happy AQversary Mu
Board: State: California
Nov 25, 2018 5:38pm
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Glad you joined us on the west coast, Mu, happy #12 AQversary.

Old Blue
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968708 by MissMoon
Nov 25, 2018 5:55pm
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So i’ve Read though this thread with interest and dismay. Among all the posters , including Miss Moon, I’m the been boxing the longest. Not as active as I was in the beginning but still hanging in there. I have seen this same thread again and again. New boxer, excited about this wonderful hobby, wants to share it with the world. Good for them, I love it too and want more people to enjoy it also. But most people just don’t get it. The best way to get someone interested is to take them on a cool trail, with interesting clues and a good carve at the end. A commercial stamp in a lamp post is not what we are about.
What are we about? Art, nature and life long friendship, and for the love of god hiking.15 years ago I met a crazy lady in the woods who became one of my closest friends. She dragged me and her motley crew on many letterboxing adventures. I was at her side when she died. That’s what this is all about.
We need to evolve into something greater not diminish our selves to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
Long rant and I’ve had a glass or two of wine. In the old days of the big list we would joke about putting on our asbestos underwear to prepare for the flame war, well I’m putting mine on now.
MizScarlet #164. My number would be lower but I thought AQ was just a flash in the pan.
Re: Safari Man was there in spirit with me today
Board: Traditional Letterboxes
Reply to: #968650 by Chill E
Nov 25, 2018 6:02pm
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That's so awesome! I'm glad you were able to find it! I met Safari Man a couple times, such a great guy! Definitely missed!