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Re: Memorial Day Carve... and mounting
Board: Stamp Carving and Mounting
Reply to: #968338 by TheKindlyVikings
Nov 24, 2018 9:23pm
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Dat carves bad to the bone
Re: Velcro advice
Board: Traditional Letterboxes
Reply to: #968669 by Angel and Demon
Nov 24, 2018 10:04pm
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If you are making a cammo bag type of letterbox, use the soft part on the area where you zip it closed. It is rough to seal the bag with the hard part.
Changing the type of box
Board: Stupider Questions About Letterboxing
Nov 24, 2018 10:54pm
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So for our first event I listed all our boxes as event stamp and didn't realize it doesn't count for your finds.... is there anyway to change without deleting and making everyone re-log their finds? thank you
Re: Changing the type of box
Board: Stupider Questions About Letterboxing
Reply to: #968675 by Moms_Play
Nov 24, 2018 11:15pm
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So for our first event I listed all our boxes as event stamp and didn't realize it doesn't count for your finds....

Well.... yes and no. It doesn't count as finds for traditional boxes--but it does count towards finds of event boxes. AQ keeps track of both!

But the question isn't how do you list boxes to count them as finds--the question to ask is what kind of boxes did you create? Were they hidden out in the woods where people had to follow clues in order to find them? Then they should be listed as traditional boxes.

Or were they laying around for people to just stumble across? Then they should stay as event boxes. Anyone who complains that they don't count as finds--tell them that's because they aren't finds--not finds on a traditional box, at least.

-- Ryan
Re: Changing the type of box
Board: Stupider Questions About Letterboxing
Reply to: #968676 by Green Tortuga
Nov 25, 2018 12:07am
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"But the question isn't how do you list boxes to count them as finds--the question to ask is what kind of boxes did you create? Were they hidden out in the woods where people had to follow clues in order to find them? Then they should be listed as traditional boxes.

Or were they laying around for people to just stumble across? Then they should stay as event boxes. Anyone who complains that they don't count as finds--tell them that's because they aren't finds--not finds on a traditional box, at least."

They were a mix of both, some of the ones I made clues for I want to change to traditional and Leave them planted where they are, But at the time I marked them as event so those at the event could find them and I kinda wanted to see how they would do out where they were planted....

Can I change it, Or am I going to have to make new boxes and new Numbers?
Re: Changing the type of box
Board: Stupider Questions About Letterboxing
Reply to: #968677 by Moms_Play
Nov 25, 2018 7:35am
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Can I change it, Or am I going to have to make new boxes and new Numbers?

Admins can change it, but we need to know which boxes should be changed.

-- Ryan
Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Nov 25, 2018 8:58am
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Just a thought I had this weekend when talking to a friend about letterboxing. Her comment is one I hear a lot, "that sounds really fun... but I'm not into art, so I don't want to carve stamps."

Well, of course you don't have to carve stamps to find boxes.
You don't even have to carve your own stamps to hide boxes.

But, I find there is a perception when letterboxing is explained that you CAN use commercial stamps, but really shouldn't...

Her other comment was "Do you have to go hiking a lot - because I don't have time."

Well, no. There are urban boxes. Or drive bys. But the impression is they are deep in the woods in hard-to-get to spots.

And her final comment was, "what if you go looking for it and it isn't there."

Well, that happens of course. They are hidden outside so things disappear.
But it does help that you can identify boxes with a 'recent find' date and they are more likely to be there.

So, thinking about all that, I am wondering if it might not be a easier to attract new letterboxers if we had a certain approachability to the hobby. Commercial stamps are still fun to find. A quick drive by on the way out of town is still like a treasure hunt. And the more new boxes there are - the more 'easy' finds there are for new lookers. Certainly, there is still the thrill of the elusive box that hasn't been found in 5 years, but that's more likely to appeal to those of us in the hobby for a while than someone trying their first find.

It's like a video game - sort of. The first few levels are really easy to get through and level-up. It keeps the player interested.

So I have decided to do a series of boxes with small commercial stamps in easy drive by locations -- I have discovered that the base of many commercial lighting polls have a plastic box that covers the bolts where the light is bolted to the concrete base. That box just lifts up - and is a great place to hide a small urban letterbox.

I can make the pouches - but I'd like to find a really good deal on the stamps as I'd like to do about 20 or 30 of these (I live off of a major interstate). And, ideally, I'd like them to be thematically connected, although I can get over that.

Does anyone know where someone can find a set of small stamps for a bargain?
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968679 by NandJ
Nov 25, 2018 9:07am
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This depresses me so much I have no words. Please be a troll.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968679 by NandJ
Nov 25, 2018 9:19am
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two suggestions:
1. Michaels Craft, etc have sets of small stamps that you can buy
2. You can put out a request for stamps on the stamp exchange, specify the theme you want and the size you want, and be sure to mention they will be permanent plants and not returned
Re: Memorial Day Carve... and mounting
Board: Stamp Carving and Mounting
Reply to: #968338 by TheKindlyVikings
Nov 25, 2018 9:23am
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wow - great carve
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968679 by NandJ
Nov 25, 2018 9:29am
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Strictly my opinion--for what it is worth

I applaud your wanting to share the hobby. My concern is that by planting a large number of commercial stamps under lamp post skirts in generic parking lots, you will be watering down the quality of boxes as those who find these plants will think that commercial stamps under lamp post skirts in generic parking lots are the norm and either not be inspired to search further, or be inspired to reproduce more of the same.

And those wonderful boxes,that are a bit off the beaten path will continue to sit unfound, and newbies in your area will not know the joy of hand carved stamps.

What if you planted one or two boxes specific for that person you are trying to hook? Don't make them "throw away" boxes, but short walks or quality drive bys with appropriate stamps and fun clues to help them see the fun of boxing.

Just a thought
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968680 by Kelsung
Nov 25, 2018 9:30am
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Kelsung -

I'm a little confused by your comment.

Are you depressed because people new to the hobby maybe don't see it the same way you do? - isn't that true of nearly any hobby?

Or are you depressed because non-letterboxers have these perceptions? I think there is no question that there are some in letterboxing who are elitists - and elite things are, well, elite. Perhaps Geocaching has a greater following than letterboxing because they aren't elite. No one says you have to find the stamps that aren't handcarved - or look for boxes that don't require you to climb Mount Kilamanjaro - but I do think it would be easier to get people interested in the hobby and the craft if they had an easier entry point.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargainI
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968683 by Mama Stork
Nov 25, 2018 9:33am
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I do, of course, recognize your fear about 'watering down.' But I think looking at it from the perspective that most hobbyists begin with something simple. Coin collections are started with a single silver quarter. Stamp collections are started with a single foreign postage stamp. And so forth and so on. Once you enjoy something about a hobby -- running a 5K - you look to running a marathon.

I will give it some more thought - I haven't invested any time or money yet, so I'm not sold on it completely, but I think that things that are hard to begin are hard to begin.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968684 by NandJ
Nov 25, 2018 9:40am
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but I do think it would be easier to get people interested in the hobby and the craft if they had an easier entry point.

I, like Kelsung, find the idea of 20 or 30 such letterboxes in one area problematic. My fear would be people would find such boxes and conclude that is the norm so why bother--never would they find those letterboxes that make one go, "Oh, my! That is what the fuss is all about."
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968679 by NandJ
Nov 25, 2018 11:25am
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I'd like to find a really good deal on the stamps as I'd like to do about 20 or 30 of these.

When I go into a thrift store. I see bags of commercial stamps at Savers whenever I go in there. If you really go through with this, this is where you can get a variety of inexpensive stamps, to answer the question.

I know that people around here don't like commercially produced stamps. Nevertheless, I seek them. I kind of like the hide.

Plus, in a specific case I'm thinking of, a new boxer was hiding commercial stamps, the set of small animal stamps available at one of the craft stores. After hiding all of this set of stamps, this boxer started carving her own.

But in the case of this topic, this boxer wants to encourage/recruit new boxers by planting easy-to-find boxes. Every region that I know of has some wild places that aren't very far from parking. The only problem that I see is that clues in the wild places are more difficult to reference unique landmarks than in a parking lot, with the boxes' own ubiquitous covering.

I'll tell you that I wanted to hide a box in a lamp post. Through discussions (badgering) here, I found a place near the store that isn't a lamp post. I still have to actually carve the stamp. However, I may still go back to the lamp post because I've seen what happens to containers that are placed under enough rocks to hide them, even when you tell people to be careful.

Still, do what you want. I'm going to do what I want. And others will do the same. People will complain, and we can chose to listen to them, or not.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968686 by Wronghat
Nov 25, 2018 11:29am
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Agreed. And N=1, but I'm not sure that this is really going to achieve your goal of getting new boxers excited about the hobby. What really got me hooked when I was new was finding really cool, interesting boxes whether that meant finding a box that made me see a familiar place in a new way or finding an amazing stamp/logbook that someone had made. If all I found were store-bought stamps in parking lots, I'm not sure that I'd still be letterboxing.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968684 by NandJ
Nov 25, 2018 12:36pm
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I am guessing I felt about the same way as Kelsung when I read your post. It's not that lots of people feel they are "too busy" or "not artistic enough" to letterbox. That doesn't bother me at all ~ they may be right. Letterboxing has survived for a long time without people who are timid about trying something unusual that everyone else doesn't do, especially when verbal explanations don't really convey the level of coolness and fun that's involved.

My first reaction was Oh, no, not more drivebys under lamp post skirts.
Why? Because it sets the standard, the norm, the definition of what letterboxing is, and it isn't that. What ever happened to taking people to a worthy destination? That is, I believe, part of the package.

Beginners should experience the variety of letterboxing - drivebys, short hikes, easy puzzles, stamps by several carvers (early carves and OH MY! carves), and they should fail to find a box once in a while because that's what happens. Spoon feeding adults just doesn't make sense to me.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968689 by Maude
Nov 25, 2018 1:08pm
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Beginners should experience the variety of letterboxing - drivebys, short hikes, easy puzzles, stamps by several carvers (early carves and OH MY! carves), and they should fail to find a box once in a while because that's what happens. Spoonfeeding adults just doesn't make sense to me.

Trying VERY hard not to jump into the AQ database and put 100000 "Agrees" on this post...

Let's face it, there are ALREADY more than enough "Lamppost Boxes" and drive-bys, that we don't need to dumb things down even more. My fear is that we are already chasing off a lot of folks who ARE creative, adventurous, artistic, and clever, by offering fewer and fewer new "cool" boxes to hold interest... not every box has to be a masterpiece, but every box SHOULD have SOME redeeming quality!

If someone is insistent on just the lowest-of-low-hanging fruit... well, that's why there are Munzees.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968689 by Maude
Nov 25, 2018 1:12pm
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I guess I feel like if someone told me no three times about something, especially three big noes that, be they misperceptions or not, will diminish their enjoyment of boxing, I'd just let it go. Yes there aren't as many boxers, but I want the new ones to be excited from the get-go, not half-reluctant and lukewarm at best. True, they might try it and be sold on it, but I tend to feel like people who can't say no outright, but who try their damnedest to do so, should be heard at the first no. It's okay to correct misperceptions, but not every hobby is really for every person. I just want boxers who are super excited to box, even if they only find five a year.

For what it's worth, if my first finds had been lamppost boxes? I never ever would have continued doing this. My first find was a beautiful tribute box for a man who died of ALS and the stamp was really lovely. It (a) taught me something and made me feel connected, however briefly, to the person that planted it (b) showed me what carvers can do, even though I didn't know how to carve and didn't feel learning at the time (c) took me to a cool spot, taught me how to use a compass and I stumbled into what an SPOR is and (d) showed me that something could be hiding in plain sight in a place I'd visited twenty times before.

It is true, there is a box for every boxer, but I feel like every drive-bys should be a little more than just racking up a number. A huge number of carvers have tons of stamps laying around. When I first started planting, I did so primarily with other people's stamps. I think what I would have told your friend is this: not everyone needs to carve or plant to box. It's perfectly fine to find them only and you can give back to the community by bringing duct tape to fix boxes, empty logbooks to replace the wet ones, and plastic baggies to replace the busted ones. There are many ways to contribute that don't have to cost much, be it financial, physical, or emotional.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968679 by NandJ
Nov 25, 2018 1:18pm
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Does anyone know where someone can find a set of small stamps for a bargain?

Yes, the stamp exchange on this site. There are often people offering stamps.

Also, you can send me your address through AQmail and I will send you some simple carves I have around for you to plant. They aren't super special but if planted in interesting places with a reasonable logbook and box, they may lead to your goal of more and hopefully satisfied letterboxers.

FORAYCH - Jeff
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968689 by Maude
Nov 25, 2018 1:29pm
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Spoon feeding adults just doesn't make sense to me.

Well said.
Re: Changing the type of box
Board: Stupider Questions About Letterboxing
Reply to: #968678 by Green Tortuga
Nov 25, 2018 1:33pm
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Awesome ty
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968692 by FORAYCH
Nov 25, 2018 1:50pm
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I also have a very simple carve I am willing to send you if it meets your theme.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968679 by NandJ
Nov 25, 2018 2:01pm
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I think the troll comment might be a bit much but having said that....

I see no reason to "dummy down" letterboxing to appeal to your friend or anyone else who isn't interested.

But the impression is they are deep in the woods in hard-to-get to spots.

Who's impression? Yours? In the four months you've been boxing is that your impression? Then you've missed something somewhere. There are varied ways to box....hiking in deep woods, urban boxes of many kinds, lamp post boxes (of which there are tons), drive-bys of different kinds, boxes inside business establishments, small city parks, urban areas that have trails, parking lots of different places, cemeteries. And I'm sure I haven't named them all. I've spent entire days just driving from cemetery to cemetery.

There are plenty of "easy finds". There are plenty of boxes that don't mean long hikes in deep woods.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968679 by NandJ
Nov 25, 2018 2:01pm
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But the impression is they are deep in the woods in hard-to-get to spots.

I am curious where someone just being told about letterboxing would get that impression. Most of the people I have spoken to about letterboxing have never heard of it and so have no pre-conceived notions at all. If you start off telling them about that great hand-carved stamp you found recently after a five mile hike that hadn't been found in years before then THAT is the first impression they are going to form.

If you start off telling people about all the great people you have met or the fun you have had boxing with your kids or the great exercise you are getting now going after boxes in nearby parks and walking trails then THAT is the first impression they will have.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968697 by PI Joe
Nov 25, 2018 2:07pm
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If you start off telling people about all the great people you have met or the fun you have had boxing with your kids or the great exercise you are getting now going after boxes in nearby parks and walking trails then THAT is the first impression they will have.

Good points. I didn't even think about the social aspect of it.

At the risk of harping on the fact that the original poster has been boxing for a grand total of four months, what kind of impression can someone that new *give* to another person? She can't say she has made life long friends, gone to many wonderful events and met great people.

Again...good points.
Re: Looking for a Challenge?
Board: State: Massachusetts
Reply to: #968672 by Nairon
Nov 25, 2018 2:10pm
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That is so cool!! I must do some scrolling. :)
Popobully birthday event
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Nov 25, 2018 2:31pm
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So the story is that singing cars got this cootie placed on them, at popobullys birthday party...they then gave it one of the cross memebers at my party... There is not number or name of who carved it so Im trying to help find the owner of this lucy cootie or get the information so they can log their find. Picture below of cootie.

https://i.imgur.com/DiwFx8n.jpg
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968689 by Maude
Nov 25, 2018 3:34pm
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[...] and OH MY! carves

There is one of those around here that I'm thinking of. It is in an indoor location, and I don't even know if they know it is there. The difficulty comes in figuring out the clue that gets you there.

Stealth is also required.

It helped that when I found it we had three people so that we could have two look-outs.
Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #968690 by wassamatta u
Nov 25, 2018 3:49pm
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not every box has to be a masterpiece, but every box SHOULD have SOME redeeming quality!

That's what I'm trying to do with the lamp post box that I'm thinking of doing. As soon as I saw the image, I thought that it should be a stamp. It will certainly be a challenge for me to carve. If/when placed it will be my very first drive-by.

If someone is insistent on just the lowest-of-low-hanging fruit... well, that's why there are Munzees.

I chase those too, but not nearly as much as I did at my peak. My goal is at least one per day. I think my peak day during the last month was a dozen.

But isn't Pokemón Go even easier to get?

Maybe not, because the virtual munzees that I mostly get don't even require that I get out of my car; I just need to get within 150 - 500 feet, depending on the virtual munzee.

However, that doesn't show the amount of effort required for my letterboxes. I just checked on my traditional plants, and the closest requires walking a few hundred feet, and is findable in the winter. (It will be replaced soon.) I have a series that is 1.2 miles each way, on level ground. The longest distance is 1.4 miles each way and about 200 foot elevation gain.

I like planting and finding a variety.