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Health Care Debate was... Re: This is a cross post..
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Reply to: #434409 by T REX
Aug 27, 2009 6:39pm
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Health care is not a right right now. It is not in the bill of rights.

How does that not come under the statement about "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"? Insurance companies are literally denying people medical procedures, treatment and care that could prolong life.

One more solution that may be more palatable.

National health care for everyone that includes basic health care coverage (issues of elective procedures would have to be spelled out very specifically). Then allow those that can afford more extensive coverage to buy additional health care?

There is also an issue of the results of unhealthy living. This would include smokers, obesity, drug abuse related issues. It does seem inherently unfair to cover people who knowingly engaged in unhealthy habits.
Health Care Debate was... Re: This is a cross post..
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Reply to: #434446 by IrishRef
Aug 27, 2009 6:53pm
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Thank you Irishref. Now that is a value added post with ideas I can wrap my brain around....or at least try. ;)

I like most of these ideas....let me sleep on them and digest the ideas. I think this is a fine start to meaningful change or at least the ideas that might bring it about. :)

You are welcome for the assist... hope to see you and every one there again next year at LBSE! We got some new stuff cooking for a bigger and better gather next year!!! :)
Study: Health Care Reform Mandate Will Punish Employers, Kil
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Aug 27, 2009 8:25pm
Under the provision, known as the play-or-pay mandate, another 10.2 million employees will face stunted wages and the loss of their benefits as employers try to find ways to fund the mandates.

By Shannon Bream, FOXNews.com

Thursday, August 27, 2009



A provision in President Obama's health care reform plan that requires businesses to offer health insurance to their workers or face a federal tax would cost employers at least $49 billion dollars a year, putting 5.2 million employees at risk of unemployment or underemployment, according to a new study.

"Health care reform is not going to be free," said economist Mark Wilson, who authored the study, which was commissioned by the conservative Heritage Foundation.

Under the provision, known as the play-or-pay mandate, another 10.2 million employees will face stunted wages and the loss of their benefits as employers try to find ways to fund the mandates.

"Those will be a difficult decision for them to make and they're also going to have to decide to the extent they can raise prices and pass the cost onto consumers," Wilson said.

But supporters of Obama's health reform plan say under the current system, thousands already are losing their health coverage or jobs because of the enormous costs employers are bearing.

"What we need to think about in health reform is how to make the system more efficient, how to make sure the system is protecting jobs, and that's exactly what health reform will do," said Peter Harbage, a health policy analyst with the liberal Center for American Progress.

White House spokesman Bill Burton said Thursday that without health reform the entire U.S. economy faces ruin.

"If we don't do something, not only is health care going to be in crisis, but the deficit will -- we just will not be on a fiscally sustainable path as it relates to the deficit," he said.

And as the financial realities of health reform are coming together there are questions about why tort reform isn't part of the package.

At a town hall hosted by Democratic Rep. Jim Moran this week, one person demanded to know why the threat of medical lawsuits couldn't be reduced.

"There's $200 million dollars in savings over 10 years if we had tort reform and nobody loses but the lawyers," the person said before shouting, "Why have we not even considered that?"

Former Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, a proponent of health reform, responded that tort reform would create more enemies for lawmakers as they try to pass a reform bill.

"Plain and simple truth," he said.

The president of the American Medical Association says without more protections for doctors in the courtroom they will continue to order tests that may be unnecessary and drive up health care costs simply to protect themselves.
prez speech tonight....
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Sep 9, 2009 3:23pm
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Lets try to all watch and listen tonight! We ....hopefully....can talk about it afterwards and provide what I call...value added... info to and on the topic. What did you like or not like...what ?s did it make you think of or ideas that might work? Remember...be civil please! :)
Re: prez speech tonight....
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Reply to: #438533 by T REX
Sep 9, 2009 6:43pm
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....well? I watched and listened... he is a good speaker.I am gonna need to do some research to back up what my knee jerk reaction to say about it is so I will be doing that and be back to post...most likely after work tomorrow.

1 thing I bet you did not know which I know he said was that folks will be required to have insurance and proof of it! He did not say...for what ever reason.... that the IRS will become the insurance police....yep! It is the truth. Go to page 167 of HR3200 and start reading it runs to page 215ish and spells it out. You will have to prove it to them and if can not will be fined and the IRS will be in charge of reviewing your paper work....deciding if it is OK....and collecting what ever fines they see fit.
Like I said.... I need to do some reading to post anything else and back it with facts or links....but I will. This is just one of the things that scares me!
BTW I also bet you do not know about HR3400 cause it is not allowed to be brought up in or let out of committee by The Speaker of the House.... take a look at it.....some common sense stuff in there that might help reform Health care and save all tax payers money... but is not even being considered by the powers that be.......Nancy and Harry. Lets talk......
Night all! 5 am comes early........:)
Re: prez speech tonight....
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Reply to: #438616 by T REX
Sep 10, 2009 8:52am
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My reaction to the speech was disappointment that it is a major compromise from what really needs to happen. The intent being to get a bill that can actually pass. It seems the focus is more on getting a health care reform bill passed than actually reforming health care.

My other comment is that the President can not introduce any legislation. Is the plan as described last night actually one of the present bills or a compilation of several that will be introduced as a new bill?

The comment about coverage of illegal aliens was certainly one of the more contentious statements. Although the bill may not provide coverage for aliens, current law forbids hospitals from refusing medical care to those in an emergancy situation. So alien's health care costs would be absorbed by everyone or other federal laws need changed. Worth noting that once an illegal alien has a baby in the US the baby is a US citizen and must then be covered by health care that the parents can not get?
Re: prez speech tonight....
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Reply to: #438616 by T REX
Sep 10, 2009 8:56am
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FYI. The following message is displayed on Joe Wilson's website:

"Joe Wilson
Due to exceptionally high traffic, this site is temporarily unavailable.
Please come back shortly."

Maybe his resignation letter will be posted when it re-opens.
Baucus' proposal
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Sep 30, 2009 4:14am
Baucus' proposal contains 'hidden consequences'
Jim Brown - OneNewsNow - 9/29/2009 7:40:00 AM
A healthcare expert says the healthcare bill drafted by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Montana) creates new taxes and cuts to the Medicare program to reduce the cost to the federal government, but does nothing to reduce the cost of healthcare in the family budget.

The Wall Street Journal says the Baucus bill would break all 50 state budgets by permanently expanding Medicaid, the joint state-federal program for the poor. The bill would for the first time make Medicaid available to childless adults and also extend healthcare insurance subsidies to people up to 400 percent of the federal poverty level.

Under the senator's plan -- known as "America's Healthy Future Act" -- individuals who fail to pay the $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance could be charged with a misdemeanor and face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 fine.

Dennis Smith is a senior fellow in healthcare reform at The Heritage Foundation's Center for Health Policy Studies. He says that penalty is just one of the many "hidden, unknown consequences" in the legislation.

"We've been warning about this for some time of how intrusive the federal government is going to become in all of this," he states. "Obviously when you have a mandate, you have to enforce that mandate."

Smith says expanding the current Medicaid entitlement is irresponsible. As he points out, states cannot afford the existing Medicaid program.

"Congress earlier this year had to bail out the states to the tune of $87 billion over a two-year period," he notes. "[So] it makes no sense when you know the current program is unsustainable to add another 11 [million] to 15 million more people into the Medicaid program."

Smith notes that although the Baucus bill does not contain a public health insurance option, an amendment for one will be offered today in the Finance Committee -- and if that public option amendment is not approved in committee, he expects it will be offered on the Senate floor as well.

As originally introduced in mid-September, the America's Healthy Future Act carries a price tag of $856 billion -- but "will not add to the federal deficit," states a press release from Baucus' office.

There are several important points in this article, but my focus is the underlined portion. Is this how the new proposed healthcare "will not add to the federal deficit"?
Post office + Unions = Millions
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Oct 3, 2009 7:56pm
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Paid to Do Nothing.
Makes you wonder who should be running our postal system.
.......maybe it’s time for a private run postal system.
Re: Post office + Unions = Millions
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Reply to: #447348 by buttercup
Oct 3, 2009 8:31pm
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Makes you wonder who should be running our postal system.
.......maybe it’s time for a private run postal system.

Private companies have issues with unions as well, so I'm not sure how that would help matters in this case. Unions are generally happy to run businesses into the ground--just so long as their members can't be laid off for almost any reason at all.

-- Ryan
Re: Post office + Unions = Millions
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Reply to: #447360 by Green Tortuga
Oct 3, 2009 8:41pm
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Unions are generally happy to run businesses into the ground--just so long as their members can't be laid off for almost any reason at all.

I have to agree with you here. Maybe the real question should be, should the union's roles and powers be redefined, and their relevance to today's needs be made more current.
Don't fall asleep!
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Oct 31, 2009 6:21am
FYI

Chambliss discusses the shortcomings of the Finance Committee's heath care bill, as well as the provisions he believes any reform of the health care system should include. (There is a few seconds of static towards the end of the broadcast, but continue watching - it clears.) This ends with the beginning of the opening statements of the senator from Iowa, also pertinent.
Very excited this morning
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Nov 3, 2010 11:28am
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I was very excited this morning to give my daughter a bit of a politics lesson this morning. If you look at the senate, it is pretty evenly split. There is no way every one can just "vote their party". Nothing would get passed, they are actually going to have to do some thinking.
Re: Very excited this morning
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Reply to: #560765 by Alaska hsm
Nov 3, 2010 2:47pm
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Or more likely they will continue to do absolutely nothing productive. The entire senate is the problem with our system. It was never intended to be a life time job, but something you did part time while still being a regular citizen. They are a autocracy of 100 people which is the not so invisible gorilla in the room.

Unless there are term limits imposed on the Senate nothing will ever change!
Re: Very excited this morning
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Reply to: #560765 by Alaska hsm
Nov 3, 2010 4:18pm
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There is no way every one can just "vote their party". Nothing would get passed

Which changes things.... how? =)

But seriously, I'll probably be in the minority here, but I think "we the people" expect too much from our politicians. We expect them to fix very difficult problems that simply have no easy solutions. After all, if the solutions were easy, they'd have already been done! The one's we are left with are difficult problems that can't be solved.

I look at our state. Everybody wants more money for education, public safety, yadda, yadda, yadda. And what do they do? They vote down pretty much all of the tax increases that could have paid for it. Somehow, we expect politicians to increase services, cut class sizes, and "invest" in the future, but then we won't give them any money to make that happen.

If a politician votes to increase taxes, they get slammed by their opponents for increasing taxes. If they votes to cut funding to education, health care, or whatever, they get slammed for cutting important services. Talk about a lose-lose situation.

But then, they kind of bring it on themselves too with all of those attack ads and promises they'll never be able to keep. They have to make pie-in-the-sky promises to get elected, and they'll always come up short because there just aren't any pies in the sky.

Another equally annoying problem (I think, at least)--if politicians do nothing, they get blamed for "doing nothing." If they actually try to change something (health care, as a recent example), they get blamed for "doing something." People, as a general rule of thumb, hate change. If they dare try to tinker with something, it's going to hurt their ability to get votes. We want change, but then complain when it happens.

It even works that way on a much smaller scale. LbNA had a contest once upon to a time to "redesign" the website. It looks the same today as it did over ten years ago, and a lot of people complain that the site never gets updated or improved. But then when a contest for a new design comes out, everyone is coming out of the woodwork saying it should keep the "old world" look. So yes, change it--but don't, not really, at least--only superficial changes.

So I kind of feel sorry for a lot of politicians. But at the same time, they bring it on themselves too. Democracy at it's best. *shrug*

-- Ryan
Re: Very excited this morning
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Reply to: #560910 by Green Tortuga
Nov 4, 2010 3:13am
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Your reply supports my contentions of term liimits being required. None of the things you mention about blame would be important if politicians job number one wasn't getting re-elected. It is about maintaining power and position not doing what is best for the country. That leads to deals with lobby groups (lawyers, insurance companies, business PACs) who want to keep status quo on major issues (health care being the prime example) and continue to line their pockets.

People, as a general rule of thumb, hate change

No one likes change except babies and then it still is a messy situation.
Re: Very excited this morning
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Reply to: #560910 by Green Tortuga
Nov 8, 2010 8:28am
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We want change, but then complain when it happens.

I'll agree with the tack that voters are inconsistent.

I've got this new job as a phone survey taker. One of the surveys I was working on was about Healthcare reform. Almost all of the people I talked with were opposed to the changes to healthcare. But then when I asked them the question, "do you think health care is a basic human right?" The same people strongly agreed with that statement.

I'm not sure how I feel about health care. But if you feel that it is a basic human right and that everyone is entitled to health care, how is everyone going to have health care without the government making sure that all the players play fair to achieve the goal of universal coverage?
Ron Paul 2012
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Apr 12, 2011 9:37pm
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I really hope he runs.
Re: Ron Paul 2012
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Reply to: #599241 by Alaska hsm
Apr 13, 2011 5:55am
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I'd rather see one of the Smothers brothers!
Re: Ron Paul 2012
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Reply to: #599241 by Alaska hsm
Apr 13, 2011 9:13pm
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I hope he runs too... as an independent and maybe he'll pull votes away from the GOP. LOL

Not that I'll vote for Obama. I'm really hoping MItt Romney will run.
Clemens Congress
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Jul 16, 2011 8:46pm
So can we clarify why Roger Clemens or anyone else can be charged with perjury for lying to a Congressional Committee. The Congress is the legislative branch which makes laws, not enforcing them. Their hearings are not trials but requests of Congress to give input that should be used to inform the group about how to enact laws.

Why Congress had hearings on steroid use in a professional sport which is already an illegal monopoly is amazing.

If lying on the record is perjury, who in Congress couldn't be on trial for lying?

Waste of time and money to have the hearings in the first place and even a bigger waste to prosecute. Of course it is gross negligence for the procescutors to blatantly ignore the judge. Another example of how the feds think that rules just don't apply to them.

Then again why in the world would a judge rule any witness as off limits????????????
It is almost time....
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Feb 5, 2012 8:44am
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...here we go again!
ALL the BS is soon to fire up! Please make sure you vote! :) T
Re: It is almost time....
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Reply to: #674085 by T REX
Feb 5, 2012 9:06am
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Please make sure you vote!

Only if you are going to be an educated voter and know who you are voting for.
Re: It is almost time....
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Reply to: #674087 by Cyclonic
Feb 5, 2012 9:21am
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I knew if I put the bait out there... you would come Cyclonic...but you are correct sir...:)
Re: It is almost time....
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Reply to: #674085 by T REX
Feb 5, 2012 12:32pm
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The one that really counts is against seated US Senators. That gang of 100 continue to be the roadblock and unmovable gorilla that impedes any real progress or bipartisanship.

The president may be important (but unless you live in one of the first 7 or 8 states to hold elections) the primaries are worthless for the rest of us.
VOTE early and often!
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Nov 5, 2013 9:58am
An odd off year gubernatorial election or two and the Mayor of NYC.

Amazing as Virginia is changing to a Democratic state, West Virginia is flipping to Republican. Most be all of those VA reps moving in to WV's eastern panhandle for the cheaper tax base.
Inauguration Day Thoughts?
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Jan 20, 2017 10:04am
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It looks like there hasn't been a post in here for over three years.

Anyone want to sound off on today's inauguration?
Re: Inauguration Day Thoughts?
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Reply to: #940880 by IrishRef
Jan 20, 2017 2:27pm
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You wouldn't want to hear my furious mood.
Re: Inauguration Day Thoughts?
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Reply to: #940880 by IrishRef
Jan 22, 2017 10:52am
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Inauguration? What inauguration? Has their been some political stuff going on that I have not been paying attention to? :-)
Mid-Term Elections
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Nov 5, 2018 3:02pm
Remember tomorrow to vote early and often.