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Re: Hitch Hiker Hostel
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978309 by Oberon_Kenobi
Aug 15, 2019 11:22pm
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That's why I'm thinking a major passenger airport. Have you considered somewhere around the SLC airport? I know airports are tricky because they're pretty crowded, and then there are security concerns about hiding unmarked boxes around... but maybe somewhere off of Redwood Rd. or North Temple or somewhere nearby - a spot where someone to/from the airport with a few minutes of extra time could conveniently stop.

One disadvantage of letterboxes compared to geocaches is that they tend to be bigger, since they need room for the stamp. HHHs need to be even bigger to be able to host multiple stamps, thus the camo bag solution wouldn't work.

I lived in SLC about 10 years ago and am not too familiar with that area today, but just a thought I figured I could suggest.
Re: Hitch Hiker Hostel
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978391 by Worlds Wolf
Aug 16, 2019 6:45am
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I don't live close enough to properly maintain it. I also don't know where a good place would be. Perhaps one of the boxers in SLC would do it.
Re: Hitch Hiker Hostel
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978102 by Fantastic Mrs. Fox
Aug 16, 2019 6:55am
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If you send me the link to the HHH in San Antonio I can check up on it.
Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Aug 16, 2019 9:59am
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Just curious of people's opinions. At what point do you consider a box to be dead, even if it isn't missing? I mean let's say a box was last found 6 years ago, there are no failed attempts shown since then. But still, 6 years. Where's your cutoff? Or do you even have a cutoff?
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978401 by Brown Wolf
Aug 16, 2019 10:16am
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I wouldn't set a time limit since last found to determine whether a box might still be there. Some boxes are in remote areas that rarely get hunted for.

One awesome example was a box my pals and I found earlier this year. It had never been found in the nine years since it had been planted. And the planter was sadly deceased. But one of our group found the box in great shape, a little bit away from where it had been originally planted, and we were the first ones to stamp into that logbook. You just never know.
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978401 by Brown Wolf
Aug 16, 2019 10:19am
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From the viewpoint of the planter, or a potential finder?

As a finder, if I had the time, I would still go look for it. All the sweeter if it was actually found :)
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978401 by Brown Wolf
Aug 16, 2019 10:36am
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Cutoff?!? I seek those boxes out specifically... I’ve found dozens of forgotten boxes that hadn’t been found in 4 or 5 years, a few that hadn’t been found in 7 or 8, and one that hadn’t been found in over 10.

Most people don’t want to hike, and they don’t want to solve clues. When 3 of us hiked up to the Mt Baldy box in 2013, we were only the third group to make the journey since 2002. Very rewarding experience.

Just a couple weeks ago I found a box with a vague starting point that hadn’t had a find in 4 years. I also found a 2 year old box about a stones throw away at the same location with simple directions and dozens of finds. Which do you think was the more rewarding experience?

I met the first finder on a 12 year old Mapsurfer box. He has some that still haven’t been found. Cutoff? Never!

K
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978401 by Brown Wolf
Aug 16, 2019 11:04am
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No cut off date.
The thing that will stop me is my ability vs. the trail.
There are a few boxes near me planted on a trails that are beyond my hiking ability.

Things that will stop me from searching for an old, never found box:
1. A search that is in a very dicey area safety wise. Think guardrail on the side of a highway with nowhere to park or safely walk.
2. The planter is known for "flinging" boxes into bushes in high traffic areas. Never had a find nor a recorded attempt, I probably won't bother going out of my way to look.
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978401 by Brown Wolf
Aug 16, 2019 11:10am
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From a planter’s perspective: if it’s a box I can check on, I will do a maintenance check on it, and then it shows up as currently active. If it’s too far away to visit, I simply let it go . . . unless I get a report from a seasoned boxer who searched thoroughly and is certain it’s gone missing (or reports that the area has been renovated, etc.). Even then, I will change the status to “unknown”.

As a finder: I have limited ability for endurance-heavy outings. So I will look for any age box, UNLESS the comments indicate one or more boxers “searched thoroughly” and couldn’t find it. Then, whether it’s old OR new, I will probably skip it.
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978401 by Brown Wolf
Aug 16, 2019 11:21am
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My buddy and I recently found a box that hadn't been found (or attempted, as far as I know) in 14 years. That was one of my favorite finds ever!
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978401 by Brown Wolf
Aug 16, 2019 2:40pm
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I recently got a found notice on a box that hadn’t been found in eight years. Made my day!!!
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978401 by Brown Wolf
Aug 16, 2019 2:43pm
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I don't have a cutoff because people who don't come to a particular place, and don't look for a box (so nearly everyone who letterboxes some place else) don't have any idea whether a box is there or not. Only the person who actually goes and hunts for them knows, and even then, I'm not always sure it's really gone. I've been known to make mistakes and fail to find a box that's there.

I recently found three out of six boxes that had not been found since 2010. One was my own so I just did a little maintenance on it - the others needed some attention, but were fine. One of the two "missing" boxes might be findable yet so I am going back in the fall; as for the sixth one, I found the bottom half of the container, but nothing more. I'll probably look one more time when I go back, just in case it was tossed, not taken.
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978401 by Brown Wolf
Aug 16, 2019 3:28pm
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But still, 6 years. Where's your cutoff? Or do you even have a cutoff?

You say "6 years" like that's forever.

If you disregard a box because it just hasn't been found in a few years you are missing out on some great finds. For instance.......Look at message #968672 on the Massachusetts board. People have found tons of boxes after several years and as that message shows......many years.

If it's not missing it's not dead. What would be the point of boxing if one just considers boxes not found in a long time to be "dead"?

So no, I have no cut off.
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978404 by Kelsung
Aug 16, 2019 6:32pm
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I wish the planter would at least ever year or two check on it to make sure it's still there. I'm working on some in my area now that I'm finding they haven't been found in 4+ years and the trees where they have been hidden are completely gone. It's frustrating since I'm just starting out and only have three finds so far.
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978426 by theworldisoutthere
Aug 16, 2019 7:02pm
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Patience, patience.
I have hidden boxes all over the country on trips and will never revisit many of those places. There's no way I could check on all of them, but I still think finders are glad I planted. I depend on local boxers to maintain the boxes, and indeed they have stepped up when needed - as have I, reciprocally, here at home. I get comments all the time from folks who say they are happy to see a fresh, new box appear from someone/somewhere else. It's a chance to see somebody else's work.
I know it's frustrating when the directions seem wrong because of changing landscape. Try to think out of the box (punny?) or imagine where a missing tree might have once been - now a stump or big hole where it may have once been. And keep trying. Those 'aha' moments are memorable!
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978404 by Kelsung
Aug 16, 2019 7:05pm
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Cutoff?!? I seek those boxes out specifically... I’ve found dozens of forgotten boxes that hadn’t been found in 4 or 5 years, a few that hadn’t been found in 7 or 8, and one that hadn’t been found in over 10.

Agree! I love searching for lonely and forgotten boxes. Oldest unfound/found box for us is 9 years. Nothing like it.

😄 DZ
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978419 by MissMoon
Aug 16, 2019 11:20pm
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True, 6 years was just the arbitrary number that came to mind.

I'm just a bit gun-shy I suppose. Because the last 2 boxes I attempted were somewhere around the 7 year mark, one was missing from where we supposed it should be, the other had missing landmarks to even get to it.

Looking at a couple in a park now that are at 7 and 10 years. I mostly just wish there was one good, confident find nearby so I could have something to show for my efforts. But there I go again, making this about the destination instead of the journey.

Thanks everyone for your input.
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978401 by Brown Wolf
Aug 17, 2019 4:18am
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I like to look for those classic boxes!! As I live in an area with lots of boxes and we get lots of visitors, most seem to go for the more recently found boxes, so a lot of older boxes haven't been found in the last many years. Every so often, I take a few hours and see if I can find one of those treasures. I love to see the stamps of old friends--and those I never knew. And the rush of success is fantastic!!

So, no cutoff although I do choose base on history and time available.
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978434 by Brown Wolf
Aug 17, 2019 8:21am
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I'm just a bit gun-shy I suppose. Because the last 2 boxes I attempted were somewhere around the 7 year mark, one was missing from where we supposed it should be, the other had missing landmarks to even get to it.

I envy you that you live in an area that’s so rich in available boxes. Around here we’ll be lucky to find 50% of searched for boxes on any given excursion. We’ve had days where we’ve only found one on our list. And those aren’t the necessarily 7 year old type, just plain old everyday hides.

If not finding 2 boxes discouraged me, I would’ve quit this game long ago.

I think it comes down to expectation and mind-set. Just know that a long unfound box probably won’t be there and the surprise of finding it will be that much sweeter.

So relax and enjoy the zen of the hunt, grasshopper.
😄
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978401 by Brown Wolf
Aug 17, 2019 12:59pm
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City boxer - generally after no one finds it after 3-4 years. They just are so likely to be destroyed.
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978445 by DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie
Aug 17, 2019 1:58pm
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Just know that a long unfound box probably won’t be there

You’re assuming it won’t be there? Too many people hunt for and find old and rarely found boxes for the word ‘probably’ to be the case. I think broad statements like that discourage people from making the effort.
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
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Reply to: #978458 by MissMoon
Aug 17, 2019 2:46pm
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Too many people hunt for and find old and rarely found boxes for the word ‘probably’ to be the case.

I think there’s a correlation to the location. A box on a short walk in a high-traffic area or an urban box that hasn’t been found in years, is “probably” no longer there. But a box at the end of a long hike into a remote area, is quite likely to still be there, with long periods between very few finders.
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978458 by MissMoon
Aug 17, 2019 4:54pm
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Too many people hunt for and find old and rarely found boxes for the word ‘probably’ to be the case.

Maybe, maybe not. I bet stats would bear me out if they were kept... at least in my case they do.

But as Wise Wanderer points out, it depends. If your goal is to find every box you search for you have to use a little common sense.

Personally, I don’t use long ago “last found” dates as a prerequisite for my searches. From what I read that’s a common attitude around here.

YMMV.
;~)
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978401 by Brown Wolf
Aug 17, 2019 6:33pm
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I once went after a box that was planted in 03/05, found a couple times, then reported missing after an attempt was logged in 8/05. The planter had/still has it tagged MISSING next to the box name on LbNA, which was where I had printed my clues. Not sure how I didn't notice all that, but I went looking for it anyway. I found it in Feb 2016, right where the clues said it would be, missing the pile of sticks because the tree had grown around the box. That was the best.
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
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Reply to: #978434 by Brown Wolf
Aug 17, 2019 6:38pm
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one was missing from where we supposed it should be, the other had missing landmarks to even get to it.

I feel your pain. I struck out many, many times recently. Even worse because I was showing my noxer friend how we do it. Ha!

Because I often seek older boxes with no luck, and because many times the landscape has changed significantly, I have evolved in how I plant boxes now. I rely less on landmarks that will inevitably change in favor of compass headings whenever possible, and I'm not in a hurry. I don't plant in stumps or fallen logs (except maybe close to home if I were going to maintain it). At least this way, you stand a chance of knowing which stump-that-used-to-be-a-tree is the one you're looking for.
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978463 by DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie
Aug 18, 2019 2:05pm
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Personally, I don’t use long ago “last found” dates as a prerequisite for my searches.

Neither do I. But on the other hand I don’t dismiss a box because of it. And I think far too many people do. But then that may leave more old boxes safe and sound for me and others who want them. HEHHEHHEH
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
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Reply to: #978460 by Wise Wanderer
Aug 18, 2019 2:09pm
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I think there’s a correlation to the location

Valid point. But that correlation wasn’t made in the statement I responded to. :)
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978458 by MissMoon
Aug 18, 2019 4:54pm
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I recently found a box on my second try - the first try was 5 years ago with no luck. This time, I brought a friend who viewed the clue just differently enough to make the box findable. This isn't always the case, but sometimes.....
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978401 by Brown Wolf
Aug 18, 2019 6:09pm
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No cutoff for us, either. We've found boxes with 8, 10, even 14 years in between finds for a whole host of reasons. If the area's pretty remote, it's typically more likely the box is still there somewhere. Even a couple of attempts won't discourage us for bringing the clues along with us on this type of hunt. We've also found that there's a significant correlation between length of hike and frequency of finds, so a lack of a recent find date on longer hikes would not bother us. We enjoy the added challenge of finding an older box.
Re: Age or Inactivity to Attempt?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #978516 by Juanita Rojas
Aug 18, 2019 7:14pm
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That’s very cool. It’s just so weird how people can see it differently. And some clues can be interpreted in such different ways.