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Re: It's True!
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Reply to: #974180 by Wry Me
Apr 15, 2019 4:29pm
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Here are some more facts about our interesting hobby and traditions. Over there in Dartmoor, they have plants close to the road and easy to find, even without clues (the equivalent of our drive-by's, yeah?), places without a 100 Club post their clues online, they have charity events where you pay for clues and essentially make a loop finding boxes, they charge for their clue book and you have to prove you've found 100 boxes on the moor first, longer hikes and more challenging hides are for grown-ups and experienced boxers. They also have discussions about box maintenance.

So if you really want to go old school: no mystery boxes, use grid references on a park map with or without compass headings and landmark clues, keep your clues WOM, or have it added to the continually updated clue book that you have to earn and PAY for, and be sure to plunk a custom stamp in the box. Organize an event where you raise money for a charity by charging for the clues to the boxes and then plant them in a small loop around town.

Also, apparently so many of the boxes are so easy and convenient to find, you can get your first 100 without clues, just to show 'em you're serious. Why don't they allow ALL people to access the clues? Why did they make so many of them short strolls instead of long hikes? What? No hand-carved stamps? No mysteries or puzzles? We have to PAY for the clues? Seems even the founders can't get it right. Heh.
Re: It's True!
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Reply to: #974195 by Wry Me
Apr 15, 2019 5:16pm
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So just some feedback based on our experiences in Dartmoor.

they have plants close to the road and easy to find, even without clues

We found zero boxes close to the road, most of them are planted around the Tors (of which there are a lot) and rock formations. Although there are quite a number planted inside of bars, restaurants, shops and camping businesses so maybe that is what you are referring to?

they charge for their clue book and you have to prove you've found 100 boxes on the moor first

When we contacted the woman who "sells" the clue books, she did not ask for proof we'd found 100 boxes. She made it very clear she asked for payment only to cover the cost of the annual printing of the clue books. I'd asked for the next year's book (because of when our fist trip was scheduled) and she accidentally sent me the preceding year's print. When she discovered her error, she immediately sent the correct version before I'd received the first one to know there was an error.....she would not accept payment for the second book (offered to help defray the printing costs).

Why did they make so many of them short strolls instead of long hikes?

We hiked, a LOT; although on rainy days during several visits, we did do the drive-bys planted in buildings, etc.

apparently so many of the boxes are so easy and convenient to find, you can get your first 100 without clues

This part is true, we didn't manage to attend an "event" but we did run into a couple of families of boxers who were gracious enough to explain the easy way to find boxes while Dbare (who's an engineeer and therefore to be forgiven) "putters" as the moms put it.

What? No hand-carved stamps?

Not entirely but the preponderance of those we found were store bought.

Hopefully people find this information useful.
Creative ways to hide Night boxes at an event
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Apr 15, 2019 5:37pm
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I’m hosting an event in October and want to do some sort of night box scavenger hint - I just got back from an event where I talked with a couple people who had some very creative ideas - so now it’s your turn to sound off ! Tell me your creative ideas or ways to hide or find night boxes in general or at an event .
Thanks !
Re: Night boxes at an event
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Reply to: #974200 by brailleboxer
Apr 15, 2019 5:42pm
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I've seen sets with fire tacks used to set up the trail and to note the location of the boxes.

I REALLY enjoyed LCABs set at SOHT the last time we were there.....She set out the boxes with small firefly lights to be looked for to find the boxes.
Re: the state of letterboxing in England
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Reply to: #974159 by wassamatta u
Apr 15, 2019 6:55pm
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My new company is sending me to London May 7-10 for some training.

Funny, my company is sending me the week after that. Which I interpret to mean they want me clean up whatever Crazy hijinx Wassa let’s loose in England.

Unfortunately, that means I will definitely be too busy to make it out to Dartmoor on this trip.
Re: It's True!
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Reply to: #974199 by Public Hand
Apr 15, 2019 7:00pm
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Wry Me wrote:

What? No hand-carved stamps?

Public Hand replied:

Not entirely but the preponderance of those we found were store bought.

So much for those who want us to return to the traditions of those who started letterboxing. Or did they just want us to return to the origins of letterboxing in the USA?
Re: Creative ways to hide Night boxes at an event
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Reply to: #974200 by brailleboxer
Apr 15, 2019 7:13pm
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What about maybe using Solar Lights?
Re: It's True!
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Reply to: #974208 by Oberon_Kenobi
Apr 15, 2019 7:33pm
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Or did they just want us to return to the origins of letterboxing in the USA?

Yeah. That was kinda my point. Any one of those things has in the past caused kerfluffles. I don't agree/disagree w/ how they do things over there & obviously some info is now outdated. I rather liked the idea of getting 100 finds, too. Not unlike hitting the restriction threshold and seeing new clues. It seems they have very similar habits/issues, though I found the charity bit interesting. Don't mind paying for published logbooks, either. The parallels & differences are equally interesting. Insanely jealous of those who have actually been. I
Re: Creative ways to hide Night boxes at an event
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Reply to: #974200 by brailleboxer
Apr 15, 2019 7:36pm
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Nope! I am saving it for when we convince Open Space to host L&B again. Mwahahaha! JK.
Re: It's True!
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Reply to: #974199 by Public Hand
Apr 15, 2019 7:39pm
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Thanks for this much better info! On my dumpster list. (Bucket is full.)
Re: How is that Power Plant Challenge going?
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Reply to: #973383 by Sudoku Crazy
Apr 15, 2019 7:45pm
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Now you want us to pay for the pathtags? Nevermind, I'll just go back out an pull the 118 I've planted so far.

~ Of course, there are prizes ~
Participants who plant at least ten traditional permanent plants between Nov. 1 and April 30 will receive a Power Planter Patch.
Participants who plant at least 50 traditional permanent plants between Nov. 1 and April 30 will receive a Power Planter Path tag.

It really takes the fun out of prizes when you are expected to pay for them. And why would you want to reorder? This was supposed to be a limited time challenge to receive one...
Re: It's True!
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Reply to: #974208 by Oberon_Kenobi
Apr 15, 2019 8:11pm
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So much for those who want us to return to the traditions of those who started letterboxing

Not trying to be difficult or contrary but my understanding is the man who started it in England is now in his 90s and in a pensioner's home.....and I haven't met anyone over there old enough to remember how it was (or wasn't).....the boxers we've met are all relatively young families.

So the point I'm trying to make is that there is no one way to box.....to each his own (as long as the safety and no tearing up the landscape rules are followed).
Re: It's True!
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Reply to: #974214 by Public Hand
Apr 15, 2019 8:50pm
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So the point I'm trying to make is that there is no one way to box.....to each his own (as long as the safety and no tearing up the landscape rules are followed).

The point I was making, though I did it with sarcasm.

It is fun doing it my way. And you can do it your way. And those who want to return to the original ways can play it their way.

Let's all just have fun.
Re: It's True!
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Reply to: #974216 by Oberon_Kenobi
Apr 15, 2019 8:59pm
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{{though I did it with sarcasm}]

Damn, must have broken my sarcasm detector at last weekend's letterboxing bash in Sydney.......
Re: It's True!
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Reply to: #974217 by Public Hand
Apr 15, 2019 9:16pm
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I wrote:

though I did it with sarcasm

Public Hand wrote:

Damn, must have broken my sarcasm detector at last weekend's letterboxing bash in Sydney.......

Well, I could hear it in my head. It is too bad that we don't have punctuation to mark sarcasm. I'll have to remember to forget it in the future⸮
Re: It's True!
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Reply to: #974214 by Public Hand
Apr 15, 2019 11:56pm
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the man who started it in England is now in his 90s and in a pensioner's home

He might be more like 190 years old. I think letterboxing began in 1854.
Re: It's True!
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Reply to: #974199 by Public Hand
Apr 16, 2019 12:53am
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What? No hand-carved stamps?

Not entirely but the preponderance of those we found were store bought.

Haven't been, but I heard that the preponderance there are custom-made. I heard they view hand-carved stamps with derision -- which makes me wonder if they've seen any stamps by any of the incredibly skilled carvers we have stateside. If all they've seen are the hand-carved stamps that look like they've been hacked out of an eraser with a steak knife, I can appreciate their attitude -- but somebody needs to plant some good carves over there!
Re: Creative ways to hide Night boxes at an event
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Reply to: #974200 by brailleboxer
Apr 16, 2019 12:59am
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There are different ideas in night boxing. One fun one is to make the hunt scary. Don't follow a trail but rather bushwhack through the woods from start to finish. Plant some rubber snakes, rats and spiders along the route, including hanging from branches. Maybe have motion detectors that start things making noise.
Install a burglar alarm in the lid of the box, preferably one that sounds like a rattlesnake.
Re: Creative ways to hide Night boxes at an event
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Reply to: #974223 by Kirbert
Apr 16, 2019 5:05am
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Install a burglar alarm in the lid of the box, preferably one that sounds like a rattlesnake.

Nope, I would have a heart attack! One box I will never go after!
Re: Creative ways to hide Night boxes at an event
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Reply to: #974200 by brailleboxer
Apr 16, 2019 6:15am
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Hidden in an open field in pouches with reflective tape, everyone uses flashlights. Stagger them out in groups of 4 onto the field with a very a visual map of clues. This is if you're looking for inexpensive and easy way of doing it.
Re: the state of letterboxing in England
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Reply to: #974144 by Grrly Girl
Apr 16, 2019 12:42pm
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We are members of the Dartmoor Letterboxing 100 Club, which publishes the catalogue, etc. However, we haven't been active since moving to the north of Scotland 13 years ago.

If you're planning a trip, it's well worth getting in touch for a copy of the latest catalogue and the updates which have been published since. If it's anything like the active letterboxing scene that we knew in the past, there are dozens of new boxes, and deleted boxes, with every fortnightly update.
Re: It's True!
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Reply to: #974221 by dingus dufus
Apr 16, 2019 1:25pm
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I was referring to Godfrey, also known as Good, who's the man who negotiated with the park service in Dartmoor to allow for letterboxing.
Re: It's True!
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Reply to: #974221 by dingus dufus
Apr 16, 2019 1:34pm
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He might be more like 190 years old. I think letterboxing began in 1854.

Those Brits *are* tough folk. :)
Re: It's True!
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Reply to: #974238 by Public Hand
Apr 16, 2019 1:49pm
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God* curse you autocorrect!
Re: It's True!
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Reply to: #974238 by Public Hand
Apr 16, 2019 2:33pm
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Sorry, missed your reference in the previous posts.
Re: It's True!
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Reply to: #974241 by dingus dufus
Apr 16, 2019 2:40pm
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No harm, no foul......Lord help me if I ever get THAT sensitive!!!
Re: How is that Power Plant Challenge going?
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Reply to: #974213 by RIclimber
Apr 16, 2019 3:14pm
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I have 109 permanent traditional boxes planted since November 1.

I don’t know if I want to pay for a path tag, either, to be honest. It’s exciting when it’s a prize, but I’ve won the opportunity to buy stuff many times. (In fact, I have several emails asking me to buy stuff in my gmail inbox as we speak!) Do we also have to pay for the patches?
Re: How is that Power Plant Challenge going?
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Reply to: #973383 by Sudoku Crazy
Apr 16, 2019 4:03pm
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I just saw this. Aw, do not continue the challenge. (My vote.) If you want to keep it going, maybe make a new challenge with a different name -- maybe even different goals. That was it will not cheapen the success of earning the prizes for those who worked so hard planting for this challenge. 😊
Re: It's True!
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Reply to: #974240 by Public Hand
Apr 16, 2019 4:16pm
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God* curse you autocorrect!

We already knew it was really God. Which of course explains the longevity as well.
Re: Creative ways to hide Night boxes at an event
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Reply to: #974200 by brailleboxer
Apr 16, 2019 6:35pm
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Using reflective tape or paint, then hide them in trees as well as on the ground.