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Re: Opinion: Old & Unpopular Box
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Reply to: #926592 by RideTheMoose
May 19, 2016 7:00am
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You have lots of cool clue sets! On this one, the planter could legitimately log it as a find after the right cocktail ;)

Keep the Owl in play!
Re: Opinion: Old & Unpopular Box
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Reply to: #926597 by dingus dufus
May 19, 2016 8:13am
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On this one, the planter could legitimately log it as a find after the right cocktail ;) Keep the Owl in play!

Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster
Re: Opinion: Old & Unpopular Box
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #926433 by RideTheMoose
May 19, 2016 4:54pm
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Keep it. Improve clues and appeal. Plant another one or two or three in the general area to attract for multiple finds. What would you want as a LBs?
Re: Looks like the games afoot - AQ takes out LBNA
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Reply to: #923459 by Captain Obvious!
May 22, 2016 6:43am
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Haha! agreed
Love is in the air...and on the trails!!
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May 23, 2016 12:11pm
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So, a young couple went out hunting several of my boxes yesterday, and at one box, the boyfriend snuck an engagement ring in it without her seeing... and when she opened it to stamp in, he proposed!! And, she said, Yes!" How cool is THAT?? To date, I have never received a find report like that one! Anyone else had a similar, or unique find story on one of your boxes?
Re: Love is in the air...and on the trails!!
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #926769 by Gypsy Fiddler
May 23, 2016 12:15pm
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That is sooooooo awesome! I planted our first letterbox on mine and my husband's first wedding anniversary and surprised him with it when he found it.
I just said hey there's a new letterbox here we have to find it maybe we'll be first finder! And I let him open it up and everything and it was awesome. :)
-Joy
Re: Love is in the air...and on the trails!!
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Reply to: #926769 by Gypsy Fiddler
May 23, 2016 12:55pm
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That is soooo coooool!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats a first for me!
Re: Love is in the air...and on the trails!!
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Reply to: #926769 by Gypsy Fiddler
May 23, 2016 12:59pm
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Now THAT is definitely not geotrash! :D
Re: Love is in the air...and on the trails!!
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Reply to: #926769 by Gypsy Fiddler
May 23, 2016 1:05pm
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Very very sweet...now we know what their favorite hobby as a couple is and they sure picked a great one!!
Re: Love is in the air...and on the trails!!
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #926770 by Neen and Joy
May 23, 2016 1:07pm
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Congratulations. I like this idea! Mine is coming up in September. Maybe I will borrow your idea. I have all summer to find a great place to hide and design and carve the stamp. Exciting!
Re: Love is in the air...and on the trails!!
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Reply to: #926769 by Gypsy Fiddler
May 23, 2016 1:31pm
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I remember this story from a while back (apparently ten years now that I looked it up).

I copied the text for the link below since some folks may not be members of the LBSE board so no real reason to click it.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/LETTERBOX-SOUTHEAST/conversations/messages/7275

Well, I've been very quiet on here lately. BUT, I had to share my Valentine's Day with you all. Just keep in mind that my hubby is not the most dedicated to my LBoxing hobby. Anyway, he showed up at my preschool, early, and picked me up. By total surprise of course. He had arranged with my boss for me to leave early. We went to the Cheesecake Factory for lunch, YUM! Then he just started driving. We ended up at the Dunwoody Nature Center and found the 5 boxes there. I can't say that he and I have ever been boxing without the kids! A very different experience. Although, I think he ended up with almost as much green ink as ballfan usually does :) We then found Baron de kalb on our way home. BUT, he took me to Little Mulberry Park in Dacula. We got out and he handed me a clue sheet that he had made up himself. It was great! I followed the clues to the specially planted box. He even carved a stamp to put in it. The big surprise though was my First (and only) Finders prize. A beautiful new ring for my right hand! I was so shocked! He had actually planted the box, with the ring in it, Tuesday morning and just left it there! After that we came home and had dinner with the kids and my mom.

I just wanted to share his sweetness with you all. Thanks for listening.

bzmom
Re: Love is in the air...and on the trails!!
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #926781 by TEAMV
May 23, 2016 1:43pm
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Ohhh cool! We have decided that we will plant one together every year on our anniversary. :)
Re: Love is in the air...and on the trails!!
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Reply to: #926769 by Gypsy Fiddler
May 23, 2016 4:20pm
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Very fun!!
What to Do?
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May 23, 2016 6:13pm
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Today I had a find report on a box I planted on 4/17. The finder told me they stumbled on the box while looking for a geocache. This concerned me a bit... I had checked before planting the letterbox and there were no nearby caches, but I checked again just now, and sure enough, a brand new geocache planted 5/17... with this comment in the clues "If your into Letter Boxing, there is also one of these in the area I found while looking for a hiding spot. This would NOT be the cache. :-)"

Bad grammar aside, I'm a little irked that they put a cache here, knowing the letterbox existed. While it is nice that they try to steer people away from the letterbox, I am concerned that the box WILL be found by cachers, and just carelessly tossed aside, rather than rehid well. This is a rather open area with not many good hiding spots, not to mention the traffic that geocaches generate is bound to catch the attention of the nearby neighbors.

What to do? The theme of the box is about a historic landmark and there really is no other place to plant it within view of the area.

On a positive note, the finder was excited to have learned about letterboxing!

SpringChick
Re: What to Do?
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Reply to: #926797 by SpringChick
May 23, 2016 6:31pm
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If you are attached to the stamp, I'd pull it. If you would be OK with the possibility of losing it, leave it.
Re: Love is in the air...and on the trails!!
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #926769 by Gypsy Fiddler
May 23, 2016 6:32pm
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Thank you for sharing our story with the community. It really blew my mind! He wanted to include something we both enjoy doing together that has made our communication skills AMAZING lol. I am so glad he chose to include our favorite hobby! So who else gets to tell their story of getting engaged in a cemetery? Lol
Re: What to Do?
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Reply to: #926797 by SpringChick
May 23, 2016 6:43pm
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Good question. I've had more of my boxes destroyed by irresponsible geocaching than I care to count out loud (I've been planting since 2001). Here's my knee jerk response, take it for what it is:

'The historic landmark is the theme of the box - and there really is no other place to plant it within view of the area'

Could the box be located a short (or even long) distance away? Can you create clues that would take the finder to the a) historic landmark, have them glean some information found there to decipher the remainder of the clue that takes them to the eventual location of b) the actual box itself, planted well away from that cache, in an otherwise unremarkable area.

Just a thought.
Re: What to Do?
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Reply to: #926797 by SpringChick
May 23, 2016 7:03pm
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I know the box you are talking about and it really cannot be planted in another area.

I would start by contacting the planter of the geocache, asking them if they would be willing to relocate their cache. I would make them aware that you checked before planting and there were no geocaches in the area and that's why you chose that particular spot. Express your concerns and the history of letterboxes being mistaken for geocaches with the stamp being taken. I think I would approach it in a way that shows that letterboxers and geocachers need to work together to help protect each other's boxes...two good hobbies respecting the other by following some basic courtesies.

Hopefully, they will rectify it.
Re: What to Do?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #926797 by SpringChick
May 23, 2016 7:06pm
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I had checked before planting the letterbox and there were no nearby caches, but I checked again just now, and sure enough, a brand new geocache planted

I know this isn't any consolation now, but in the future you can prevent this from happening. When you checked the first time to see if there were any geocaches in the area, and there weren't, you could have planted one of your own. That way you claim the area from other geocachers for a distance of something like 500 feet. Just stick a piece of paper that says geocache on it inside a pill box and plant in an easy place to tell geocachers where to go to find it. Then plant the letterbox in the good spot. It does take a little time to sign up on geocaching.com and go thru the hoops of getting the geocache approved, but it's shielding the real deal.

I've done this on several of my letterboxes and wished I'd done it on more.
Re: What to Do?
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Reply to: #926807 by Wronghat
May 23, 2016 9:12pm
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When you do this, make sure the geocache is 200 or 300 feet away from where the letterbox is.
Re: Love is in the air...and on the trails!!
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Reply to: #926800 by JohnstonSquad
May 23, 2016 9:55pm
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I'm glad you didn't mind my sharing it-it is such a positive and fun story, and I also thought it might even inspire others to do something far out and sneaky! :-)
Re: What to Do?
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Reply to: #926807 by Wronghat
May 23, 2016 9:59pm
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When you checked the first time to see if there were any geocaches in the area, and there weren't, you could have planted one of your own.

This is good advice. I do both hobbies so I've placed letterboxes in the shadow of existing geocaches, and hidden geocaches to protect letterboxes. If you don't want to hide a geocache yourself then make friends with a geocacher to help protect letterboxes in your area. We don't bite, much. 😂

However, given the current situation you should contact the geocacher who placed the cache near your letterbox. The geocachers around here have been willing to move their geocache when they found that they'd impinged on a letterbox. I don't know about how the geocachers in your area will behave. Again, having a geocaching friend will help with getting a geocacher to move their cache.
Re: Love is in the air...and on the trails!!
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Reply to: #926769 by Gypsy Fiddler
May 23, 2016 10:58pm
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First Finder prize? Like, if she hadn't found it, it woulda been available for the next finder?
Re: What to Do?
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Reply to: #926807 by Wronghat
May 24, 2016 3:50am
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When you checked the first time to see if there were any geocaches in the area, and there weren't, you could have planted one of your own.

Thanks for the suggestion... it is an interesting concept, but it seems somewhat counter-intuitive. Regardless of who owns the geocache, having one planted there is going to bring unwanted traffic to the area surrounding the box, and the potential for people to find the letterbox while looking for the geocache, even if the cache is planted in a place that seems more obvious TO ME.

I can see where this could possibly be useful in an area where the path is linear (i.e. a trail) -- plant the decoy cache closer to the trail or in a place that comes before the box hiding spot, but in this case, there is no trail, rather an open area where a person could logically head several ways -- the box clues guide the finder which way, but giving coordinates for a geocache, really leaves it wide open for a cache-seeker to begin their search in any direction. I suppose one could give a very obvious clue as to where the cache is, but like letterbox comments, I suspect many cachers just grab the coordinates and go, without reading the comments.

SpringChick
Re: What to Do?
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Reply to: #926821 by SpringChick
May 24, 2016 6:26am
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Regardless of who owns the geocache, having one planted there is going to bring unwanted traffic to the area surrounding the box...

You don't understand the concept. You plant a geocache 200-300 feet away from your letterbox. Nobody, not even the most diehard geocacher, will expand his search pattern to 200 feet away from where the GPS is leading him. And since geocaching rules prevent planting geocaches within 528 feet of one another, as long as your geocache remains active it will ensure that no other geocaches will ever be planted within 200 feet of your box. It's the ultimate protection from cachers.
Re: What to Do?
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Reply to: #926821 by SpringChick
May 24, 2016 6:46am
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Regardless of who owns the geocache, having one planted there is going to bring unwanted traffic to the area surrounding the box, and the potential for people to find the letterbox while looking for the geocache

A GPS receiver is generally accurate to within 20 feet. If you consider the worst case, someone is looking 40 feet off. Just for an additional buffer you want to hide at least 100 feet away from your letterbox, but 200 feet would be better.

Since geocaching.com geocaches must be at least 1/10th of a mile (528 feet) from another, there is a shadow protecting the location from another such cache. The free account will let you see (and plant) all but Premium Member caches.

If you want additional protection for your letterbox then make a puzzle cache because beginners (the ones most likely to do something bad to your letterbox) are much less likely to seek such a cache. Put the posted coordinates in a safe place (somewhere where people who just got the coordinates without realizing they're not the actual coordinates can search safely) not far from the park, but not in the park.

Now, geocaching.com is not the only geocaching web site. Terracaching.com and Opencaching.com are the major ones, but they are still much smaller than geocaching.com. On these sites a cache could be listed close to your letterbox, but there aren't many such caches.

Of course, the best solution is to find a cacher friend in your area. I'm the cacher friend for letterboxers in this area. I will let letterboxers know about Premium Member, puzzle and multi-caches in the area, and am willing to plant a cache to protect a letterbox. A geocacher friend is helpful to protect letterboxes.
Re: What to Do?
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Reply to: #926833 by Kirbert
May 24, 2016 6:48am
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It's the ultimate protection from cachers.

Then you just have to worry about the regular muggles rather than someone searching for something near your box.
Re: What to Do?
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Reply to: #926833 by Kirbert
May 24, 2016 8:18am
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You plant a geocache 200-300 feet away from your letterbox.

Why not just list it as a letterbox hybrid on geocaching.com if you want the 528 foot protection? I guess in this specific case it would be too late, but in general, this seems like a better idea than the "dummy geocache" as suggested above.

The 528 rule is a really bad rule, especially as it gives the impression that it applies to all websites that operate hide and seek games (yes, people do believe this), but I'll desist on the rant on why this is such a bad and selfish rule.

I will write why I think the "dummy geocache" is a bad idea, tho. :)

First, it sounds like alot of extra work. So, if I've planted 150 letterboxes, I now would have 150 geocaches to maintain as well to implement this solution everywhere? (geocaching rules require maintenance, even if you don't care about the cache. Also, they have rules for how far from your home you can place a cache, so that could be a constraint as well (the rules are flexible if you can prove you play hide and seek in the area you wish to plant)).

Second, if you take Kirbert's suggestion and plant it 250 feet away, it will eat radius territory for no good cause that some other user might want to use.

Third, unless the "dummy geocache" is also in a worthwhile spot, cool hide, whatever (and from what I've read, I get the impression that its only purpose is to claim territory), it would be cluttering and diluting the game on geocaching.com, thus making it a territorial response with a negative benefit as well. Just like most letterboxers, most geocachers want at least some aspect of the cache to be cool. I certainly would not appreciate caches of this type in my search results.

That said, a good solution would be for geocaching.com to simply implement a 'hide and seek object on another website" geocache type. Maybe they have. This would be the closest thing to an effective central registry for hide and seek objects without the negative effects listed above for the folks of all hobbies who believe this 528 rule is a good idea. I believe that that is the only way it will be truly solved.

Nobody, not even the most diehard geocacher, will expand his search pattern to 200 feet away from where the GPS is leading him.

Wrong. I look for geocaches without a GPS device. I just look at the map and hint and go from memory (wow, I finally found a use for my eidetic memory since I stopped orienteering :)). I'm often 200 feet away. I imagine others do this as well, cuz physically using a GPS device to find objects is extremely tedious, at least for some people, forget the fact that some users look like phone zombies.

In fact, I often just walk or run down trails with no prep looking for hide and seek objects. I'm sure others do this as well.

My answer on this would be to do nothing. As an aside, while I personally don't believe anyone should have a right to a 528 foot radius, I do feel the geocacher was uncool given the fact that the 528 foot radius is part of his/her culture, and he/she would respect it if the other object were a geocache. (That is, they think it is a good rule, but ignored it anyway when it wasn't their tribe).
Re: What to Do?
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #926851 by Sir Braemoor
May 24, 2016 12:09pm
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First, it sounds like alot of extra work.

Exactly! I barely have the time to keep up with and participate in letterboxing the way I would like to, I certainly don't want to spend any of my time placing and maintaining geocaches. I will admit it also seems a little selfish to me. At one time there was a letterboxer in this area who would plant quick, thoughtless boxes at parks throughout the area as "placeholders" until the intended boxes or series were ready to plant... drove me crazy. Not saying it wouldn't achieve the purpose, just not my game.

I have a few friends who geocache, but strictly as finders. Even if they were planters, I would hope they are basing their decisions about where to plant a cache on something much more interesting than a letterbox that needs a decoy.

I was able to check on the actual location of the cache, although it is near the letterbox (much closer than 500 feet, I think the cache location is much more likely to attract a seeker. I thought about contacting the planter, but they really didn't do anything against the rules -- disrespectful yes, but not against any rule. I feel like making a fuss over it has less chance of protecting the box than it does of backfiring and getting me put on some secret "letterboxers we hate" list that geocachers mentally keep.

It is very near my house so I am just going to keep a close eye on it, and also on the cache find log to see if it is frequently being found by cachers. Thanks for the ideas and input, it is interesting to hear how others deal with this situation.
Re: What to Do?
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Reply to: #926851 by Sir Braemoor
May 24, 2016 12:17pm
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Third, unless the "dummy geocache" is also in a worthwhile spot, cool hide, whatever (and from what I've read, I get the impression that its only purpose is to claim territory), it would be cluttering and diluting the game on geocaching.com, thus making it a territorial response with a negative benefit as well. Just like most letterboxers, most geocachers want at least some aspect of the cache to be cool. I certainly would not appreciate caches of this type in my search results.

Strangely enough, my geocache decoys have been listed as favorites by some geocachers--here I'm trying to be snarky with my geocaching and people are thanking me for it--sigh.