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Re: Searching Dangers (was "Letterboxing No-Man's Land")
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Reply to: #620077 by IrishRef
Jul 10, 2011 5:51pm
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There seem to be lots of deterents to boxing in Florida. Time (those on vacations), heat, humidity being the obvious ones.

Then there are the alligators.

I was geocaching down in Florida on a pedestrian bridge. It was the first span so I thought that it might be tucked up between the concrete abutment and the beam. It was low water, so the water was at least 100 feet away each direction. I only realized later that this is 'gater country, though I've never seen one in the wild, fortunately.

Here (in Utah) the only dangerous things we've got are black widows, brown recluse and rattle snakes. I've never seen the later two in the wild. I'm not used to the dangers elsewhere.

But Australia leads the world in poisonous animals. I certainly wouldn't want to be poking in hidey holes Down Under.
Re: Prickers, holly bushes, vines OH MY!
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Reply to: #620095 by Dizzy
Jul 10, 2011 5:53pm
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I saw someone else say they only see the thorns on the drive-bys, too.

I got my worst case of poison ivy from a drive by! It was worth it though, the stamp was outstanding! My backback for letterboxing is part food mart, part shed, part first aid station. I figure it is part of the adventure. I do my best to wear appropriate cothing, footware and socks, plus gloves when needed, and I look out for the hazards, but stuff happens. I keep it in mind when scouting out places for plants though.

Mini Mouse
Re: Searching Dangers (was "Letterboxing No-Man's Land")
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Reply to: #620121 by Oberon_Kenobi
Jul 10, 2011 5:57pm
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But Australia leads the world in poisonous animals. I certainly wouldn't want to be poking in hidey holes Down Under.

Hence the reason our boxes planted in Australia and Tazmania carry EXTRA precaution notes......we boxed down there using standard hunting caution procedures and managed to all stay alive!
Re: Prickers, holly bushes, vines OH MY!
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Reply to: #620095 by Dizzy
Jul 10, 2011 6:52pm
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There's thorns on every box's hiding place, or on the way to the hiding place, in my neck of the woods.

We wear gloves, and know how to avoid the worst of the thorns...

romana
Re: Letterboxing No-Man's Land
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Reply to: #619985 by The Wolf Family
Jul 10, 2011 7:37pm
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That'd be cheating.
Re: Prickers, holly bushes, vines OH MY!
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Reply to: #619993 by Family From Florida
Jul 10, 2011 7:39pm
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I would like people who plant their boxes inside prickly bushes to really re-think that.

I represent that remark!

Actually, I try to avoid planting in the prickly bushes, but sometimes it's really difficult. Sometimes within the prickly bushes is the only spot you have any confidence the box won't get muggled.
Re: Letterboxing No-Man's Land
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Reply to: #620017 by ElectricMedic
Jul 10, 2011 7:43pm
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No, I don't think so. I've been through there a couple of times, but local boxers seemed to have the place fairly well covered so I didn't add to it. I did plant a few boxes in the St. Augustine area not long ago, if that's on your way.
Re: Prickers, holly bushes, vines OH MY!
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Reply to: #620042 by speedsquare
Jul 10, 2011 7:47pm
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I followed the clue and it lead me to a mechanical/electrical box with warning signs and a hole in the bottom. I could see where it was, but I didn't want truckers and security cameras watching me. Is it really fun to plant something so public and dangerous at the same time? As of my search no one else has found it. I've decided I will not go for locations like this. I really don't want to be page one news.

I've found geocaches hidden in boxes on utility poles that sound like that -- and they were planted by the Tallahassee Department of Parks and Recreation! Usually with a padlock, the combination is given on the cache sheet. Note that these boxes didn't actually contain any electrical equipment -- you can easily tell because there are no wires or conduits going in or out. But otherwise they looked just like any other box on a utility pole.
Re: Prickers, holly bushes, vines OH MY!
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Reply to: #620063 by Family From Florida
Jul 10, 2011 7:50pm
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The boxes we find are while we are traveling. So, I try to get the drivebys because they are faster.

I highly recommend you consider changing that policy. Instead of hunting five driveby's along your route, hunt just one box that actually involves a short hike. See which results in a more satisfying trip.
Re: Letterboxing No-Man's Land
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Reply to: #620069 by Green Tortuga
Jul 10, 2011 7:51pm
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OK, that one went over my head.
Re: Letterboxing No-Man's Land
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Reply to: #620077 by IrishRef
Jul 10, 2011 7:53pm
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Heat and humidity aren't a problem when you box in November! :-) Admittedly not a good place to box in the summer, though. Y'all consider a Christmas vacation down this way, y'hear?
Re: Searching Dangers (was "Letterboxing No-Man's Land")
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Reply to: #620121 by Oberon_Kenobi
Jul 10, 2011 7:57pm
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Then there are the alligators.

Phooey. This time of year, SWMBO and I spend every Saturday and Sunday evening in the vicinity of my Off Da Hook letterbox, just hanging out and watching the fishermen. There are three gators there, just swimming around lazily in case someone catches a catfish and throws it back too torn up to swim. It's difficult to imagine a critter less threatening than an alligator. Dogs are far more worrisome.
Why hide your finds?
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Jul 10, 2011 8:29pm
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I'm curious to know why anyone would choose to hide their finds. I understand that the option is available and that everyone has the right to choose that option. I just don't understand why they would.
Re: Why hide your finds?
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Reply to: #620181 by Boots Tex
Jul 10, 2011 8:35pm
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Because a stalker could use your most recent finds to discover where you are, and predict where you are likely to be.
Re: Letterboxing No-Man's Land
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Reply to: #620155 by Kirbert
Jul 10, 2011 8:35pm
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That'd be cheating.

And?
Re: Why hide your finds?
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Reply to: #620181 by Boots Tex
Jul 10, 2011 8:37pm
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It's called "logbook stalking" -- where people look to see where you've been (and possibly line up Mystery boxes that you've hid with boxes you found on the same day).

Either way, many didn't think it was a big deal, while others asked Ryan to hide their finds. Ryan, as you didn't see the big deal and it just didn't make sense.

Then, correct me if I'm wrong, Ryan went ahead and hid his finds. Apparently there were some who didn't like this at all and wrote Ryan saying things that just freaked him out -- so much so that he made it the defalt setting.

It's not a big deal until people go nutso on you for hiding your finds.

And that's my understanding of the whole hide your find thing.

hx6
Re: Why hide your finds?
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Reply to: #620187 by Hart x6
Jul 10, 2011 9:15pm
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I've noticed that new boxers, those with few finds, seem to be the ones with hidden finds, because that is the default. I've asked a few folks why they hide their finds and invariably they are unaware of the fact and choose to make them public. I believe that making them public should be the default with the option to hide them. Letterboxer stalkers? You're kidding, right?
Re: Why hide your finds?
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Reply to: #620181 by Boots Tex
Jul 10, 2011 9:37pm
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Surfing P/F logs is certainly a great way to glean info on mystery boxes, but boxers should never log a mystery box on the same date they find a regular box.

MookyDipper has graciously lent his box in Ecuador

http://www.atlasquest.com/showinfo.html?gBoxId=22459

as a "find" for us on several occasions on the same day we've planted a mystery box. Purposely listing a mystery on the same date you were somewhere else entirely can help cover your tracks.
Re: Why hide your finds?
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Reply to: #620194 by Boots Tex
Jul 10, 2011 10:14pm
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I believe that making them public should be the default with the option to hide them.

You don't happen to work for Facebook, do you?
Re: Why hide your finds?
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Reply to: #620181 by Boots Tex
Jul 10, 2011 10:19pm
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If you do a search (mostly on the "dead lemurs" board) on the subject of private logbooks and hiding finds, you'll find several long discussions going back for years, with many and varied answers. But what it boils down to is that some folks don't want to be involved in the slippery slope, and opt out at various points along the following continuum:

At first you couldn't log finds at all. A clue was posted, and you didn't know if the box had ever been found or not unless you actually followed the clues and went to the box to look in the logbook. The REAL, PHYSICAL logbook, which, in my oh-so-humble opinion, is the only one that matters anyway.

Then you could log your finds, mostly to allow you to get them out of future searches.

Then planters would get private emails to let them know someone had found their box.

Then you could look at a list of only the last three logs on a box, so you know of recent activity.

Then you could log unlisted finds.

Then logbooks went completely public, where everyone could see every log on every box.

Then you could add comments when you logged finds, and everyone could read them.

Somewhere along the way, what was once a very secretive hobby about hidden treasures became a very public game of stamp collecting. I'm not actually criticizing that, believe it or not. But I think people need to understand and respect those who wish to keep things a little more under the radar.

I have letterboxes with logbooks that are full of trail names of folks who don't even have an account, let alone an online logbook to read. Their activities are completely private and anonymous, and I wouldn't even know they existed if I didn't see their names in logbooks out there in the real world.

Kelsung
Re: Why hide your finds?
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Reply to: #620194 by Boots Tex
Jul 11, 2011 12:17am
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Not kidding at all.

There are some *very* disturbed people out there who aren't necessarily letterboxers themselves, but who know if someone's involved with a hobby, and will follow them around looking for *any* shred of information as to location or where else they can get info. It's sad, and kind of sick, but it does happen.

(speaking from experience here.)
Re: Why hide your finds?
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Reply to: #620194 by Boots Tex
Jul 11, 2011 1:41am
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I agree that hiding finds shouldn't be the default -- but I'm not sure public finds should be the default either. Perhaps a third option, that there's a place on the registration process that asks if you want your finds to be public or hidden. It's not really important that the newbie makes an informed choice at that point; what's important is that he knows there is a choice so he can come back and revisit it if it becomes important to him later on down the line.
Re: Why hide your finds?
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Reply to: #620198 by dingus dufus
Jul 11, 2011 1:42am
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MookyDipper has graciously lent his box in Ecuador

http://www.atlasquest.com/showinfo.html?gBoxId=22459

as a "find" for us on several occasions on the same day we've planted a mystery box. Purposely listing a mystery on the same date you were somewhere else entirely can help cover your tracks.

Don't you get, like, a ridiculous number of letterboxing travelling miles out of this?
Re: Why hide your finds?
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Reply to: #620204 by Kelsung
Jul 11, 2011 3:16am
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Thank you for that information. Quite a history lesson to be sure. We have noticed that every so often we'll come upon a logbook that has been stamped but not recorded on AQ. We refer to the "Last Found" date that appears on the clues when planning a letterboxing day. It's a surprise when see the stamp-in dates in the logbook later than the last found date on the clue. The time interval could be a month or more so it was clearly not a case of they just haven't had a chance to log it in on AQ. And that's ok. To each their own. Perhaps the clue should indicate "Last Logged" instead?
Re: Why hide your finds?
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Reply to: #620204 by Kelsung
Jul 11, 2011 3:51am
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Very, very well said. :)
Re: Prickers, holly bushes, vines OH MY!
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Reply to: #620156 by Kirbert
Jul 11, 2011 4:26am
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I actually planted a letterbox in which a stickery holly bush was absolutely necessary to the clue. I wouldn't change a thing.
Re: Prickers, holly bushes, vines OH MY!
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Reply to: #620224 by Mrs LAFS
Jul 11, 2011 4:29am
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I planted one in the center of a group of cacti,however the clue give warning of tools needed so I don't feel bad about it either. I suppose, technicallyy it could be labeled an extreme box due to that need.
Re: Searching Dangers (was "Letterboxing No-Man's Land")
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Reply to: #620121 by Oberon_Kenobi
Jul 11, 2011 4:46am
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Then there are the alligators.

so, boxing in FL is the ONLY time I've ever run into a poisonous snake or THREE whilst out in the wild. Yes, you read that correctly. Three pigmy rattlers (according to the woman - my sister- I was with) in one day, hunting in Jax. Then we went to Disney and saw more wildlife!! Being from VT, I'm thinking it's a tamer sport up north.
~tigs
Re: Why hide your finds?
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Reply to: #620218 by Mini Mouse
Jul 11, 2011 5:10am
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Correction to my previous post: the clue indicates "Active" with the date.
Re: Searching Dangers (was "Letterboxing No-Man's Land")
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Reply to: #620230 by tiggermama
Jul 11, 2011 5:47am
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Then there are the alligators.

In Aug of 2005 we spent 8 days boxing from Tallahassee to Baton Rouge (found around 65 boxes); didn't see a single alligator! I was so bummed :(