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Re: Abandoned boxes
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Reply to: #974778 by Trailhead Tessie
May 1, 2019 3:04am
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What's your definition of "abandoned" boxes?

Boxes that haven't been found in a long time.
Re: Abandoned boxes
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Reply to: #974787 by Elle
May 1, 2019 4:17am
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I think you have confused the definition of abandoned. Per the AQ glossary
Abandoned letterboxes are simply boxes that are no longer maintained by the owner. Perhaps the owner moved away or dropped out of letterboxing, the box has been abandoned and the owner can no longer be reached.
Re: Abandoned boxes
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Reply to: #974788 by Janila
May 1, 2019 4:47am
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I agree with Janila - "abandoned" boxes are different from "old last finds" (boxes that haven't been found in a long time).

And more specifically...
For a box to qualify as abandoned, all people associated with the letterbox (including the carvers, planters, owner, and the person who originally listed the box) will not have logged into Atlas Quest for...

~~from https://www.atlasquest.com/about/wiki/question.php?wikiId=136

The default for both is one year, but you can change the number of months for your specific searches. See Preferences - Letterboxes & Searches.
Re: Abandoned boxes
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Reply to: #974788 by Janila
May 1, 2019 7:59am
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Abandoned letterboxes are simply boxes that are no longer maintained by the owner. Perhaps the owner moved away or dropped out of letterboxing, the box has been abandoned and the owner can no longer be reached.

Very good. I found four boxes yesterday in an area where no one has been boxing for years. Last find dates per the logbooks in the boxes were: 2010, 2011, 2011, and 2010. I don't think any of these boxes were truly abandoned. It's just that no one had been looking for the boxes in a long time. It's not like they were especially hard to find or anything.
Re: Abandoned boxes
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Reply to: #974789 by roo
May 1, 2019 10:57am
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For a box to qualify as abandoned, all people associated with the letterbox (including the carvers, planters, owner, and the person who originally listed the box) will not have logged into Atlas Quest for...

Hmmm. I remember when this status was established. Because it triggers a sort of takeover of control of such boxes, GT had to be *very* careful not to step on anyone's toes. I guess requiring that anyone involved in the box is long gone meets that objective.

As a carver of 600+ boxes, though, I feel compelled to chime in. I carve a stamp, stick it in an envelope and mail it off to someone halfway across the continent (or even on a different continent!), they plant it and list it, then we never hear from that planter again. The fact that I still log on here every day doesn't change the fact that that box has been abandoned. If I were to get on an airplane and go try and find it, I'd be following the clues the same as anyone else. I am not involved in its maintenance.

Offhand, I'm trying to think of a situation where being a carver and still active on AQ should prevent a box from being listed as abandoned. I suppose there are some, but for those I'd think the carver would also be listed as one of the planters or the owner.

Perhaps the standard should be revised to the effect that, if the planters, owner, and lister haven't logged in for a year but the carver is still around, the carver is automagically asked if he would like to assume ownership of the box or whether its status should be changed to abandoned. Those would be the two choices. If he doesn't respond, it gets listed as abandoned.

I'm also wondering whether it might be an option to voluntarily classify a box as abandoned. I go on vacation a hop, skip, and an airplane ride from home. While visiting areas I probably will never see again, I plant a letterbox. The only maintenance this box will ever see is that provided by finders, and if one of them reports that the clues need altering or the box has gone missing altogether, I have to take their word for it -- I'm not going to be going back there to check on its status. To me, it makes sense to list such boxes as abandoned the day they are planted. The treatment that an abandoned box gets -- comments are public, three attempts results in retirement -- are the way the box is intended to be treated from the outset.
Re: Abandoned boxes
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Reply to: #974798 by Kirbert
May 1, 2019 10:08pm
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The fact that I still log on here every day doesn't change the fact that that box has been abandoned.

It's not so much that the box is abandoned as it is the listing is abandoned. There are people who regularly check up on boxes they planted but don't log into AQ very often and those boxes are considered "abandoned"--but it's really the listing we're talking about here.

And as a carver who logs in regularly, you can maintain the listing. Whether you do or not is another matter entirely. =)

The treatment that an abandoned box gets -- comments are public, three attempts results in retirement -- are the way the box is intended to be treated from the outset.

As someone who logs in regularly, you get to set your own rules about when the box should be retired or update the clue if someone contacts you about a change that's needed, etc. There's not really any reason AQ has to change stuff automatically.

You might be happy with the algorithm AQ uses to update the status of boxes automatically, but others might not be--and you can probably judge the attempt better than AQ can. And you can do a lot of things AQ never would be able to do like change the clue because a tree mentioned in the clue fell over or a trail was rerouted.

AQ can't really do a good job replacing people and so AQ only takes over as something of a last resort.

-- Ryan
Re: Abandoned boxes
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Reply to: #974814 by Green Tortuga
May 2, 2019 4:55am
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It's not so much that the box is abandoned as it is the listing is abandoned.

That makes sense.
How do you add a box ahead of planting?
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May 4, 2019 8:30pm
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I don’t want today to show as the planting date, but I want to go ahead & add the stamp names for now.
Re: How do you add a box ahead of planting?
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Reply to: #974854 by LadyRisa
May 4, 2019 9:26pm
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When you add a letterbox, make the TYPE of box Reserved. 🙂
Re: How do you add a box ahead of planting?
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Reply to: #974855 by RDHG
May 4, 2019 10:59pm
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Yep.
Re: How do you add a box ahead of planting?
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Reply to: #974854 by LadyRisa
May 5, 2019 7:13am
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I want to go ahead & add the stamp names for now.

It was probably just a slip of the tongue, but just to be clear, on Atlas Quest, you list boxes, not stamps.

If you really have a pressing need to list stamps, you can use the "other" category for it.

-- Ryan
Re: How do you add a box ahead of planting?
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Reply to: #974861 by Green Tortuga
May 5, 2019 7:57am
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boxes, not stamps.

Yes, yes. That’s what I meant.
Re: How do you add a box ahead of planting?
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Reply to: #974855 by RDHG
May 5, 2019 8:00am
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When you add a letterbox, make the TYPE of box Reserved.

That’s what I did wrong! I was looking at status options, which can show something unavailable, but will reflect the day entered into atlasquest as the planted date. Thanks!
Re: How do you add a box ahead of planting?
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Reply to: #974865 by LadyRisa
May 5, 2019 9:36am
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If this is for a Plant A Letterbox Day it still has to be near the time when listing. I used a Reserved box I never used that was ‘old’ and it did not count in the totals.
Here is the rule fir this year;
“If you list it as a reserved box in order to get a box number ahead of time, don't list your reserved box before May 17th.”
Re: How do you add a box ahead of planting?
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Reply to: #974867 by cooledcoyote
May 5, 2019 9:41am
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I used a Reserved box I never used that was ‘old’ and it did not count in the totals.

Did you remember to change the plant date when you activated the box?
Re: How do you add a box ahead of planting?
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Reply to: #974868 by Janila
May 5, 2019 10:07am
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Yes, but the Reserved (I don’t see a date for that) was outside of the window.
Re: How do you add a box ahead of planting?
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Reply to: #974871 by cooledcoyote
May 5, 2019 1:05pm
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Not sure what you mean by "outside the window" but I have had boxes reserved for over three years and all I do is update the plant date after I actually activate the box. After you activate, the next tab is the one where you choose the type of box (traditional, postal, hitchhiker, ect) and then the next tab is the Basic Details tab, the tab where you can change the name of the box, add a synopsis and change planters, owner or contacts. There is also a Plant Date box there that can be changed.
Rookie MIstake.
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May 5, 2019 8:34pm
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I was letter boxing, I think it was in TX. I stamped my journal, thinking I would write its name later. Didn't happen. Now I am lost as to what it is.

In my defense, I had 5 children with me from the age of 2-11. Whew! They do love to letterbox but ya have to keep it moving to keep their interest.

It is a stamp with the name Nature carved at the top, a Sitka deer looking back over its shoulder, about 2"x2".

The reason I think it is a TX stamp is because we were there in December of 2018 and the sitka deer that have escaped from the hunting ranches are everywhere. The deer on the stamp has spots on it and antlers. It is not a fawn.

Thank you for any help you can give me.
Re: Rookie MIstake.
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Reply to: #974903 by Chickadee
May 5, 2019 8:40pm
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If you have information for Chickadee, remember to send it as a private message rather than posting it here on the board. :)
Re: How do you add a box ahead of planting?
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Reply to: #974867 by cooledcoyote
May 6, 2019 4:40am
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I have several boxes to plant. I didn’t take PAL into consideration. I’ll make sure to hold one back specifically so it gets a PAL count.
Re: Rookie MIstake.
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Reply to: #974903 by Chickadee
May 6, 2019 2:14pm
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We’ve all done that and still do!
you have an email
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May 7, 2019 10:19am
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I have a message that I have a new letter. Why does it not show?
Re: you have an email
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Reply to: #974961 by Always On Call
May 7, 2019 10:26am
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In the same vein: it used to be that when I had an email, the notification would show at the top of My Page. Now it doesn’t show until I go to some other page (e.g. read a board post or look at a box listing). Can I get that notification to show right away when I go to My Page?
Re: you have an email
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Reply to: #974961 by Always On Call
May 7, 2019 10:29am
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I have a message that I have a new letter. Why does it not show?

It was probably spam and I already deleted it. Spammers created over a thousand accounts this morning and mailed about 7000 spam messages through AQ mail by the time I woke up and took care of the problem.

But I deleted them all because... it was spam. You didn't miss anything.

-- Ryan
Re: you have an email
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Reply to: #974962 by Sheba
May 7, 2019 10:31am
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Can I get that notification to show right away when I go to My Page?

Make sure the AQ Mailbox widget is installed. It's supposed to be on My Page by default and seemed unnecessarily redundant to include a message at the top of the page which included less information than the widget did.

-- Ryan
Re: you have an email
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Reply to: #974963 by Green Tortuga
May 7, 2019 10:57am
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Okay. Thanks Ryan. But. . . cannot get rid of the you have a new letter message.
Re: you have an email
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Reply to: #974965 by Always On Call
May 7, 2019 11:53am
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But. . . cannot get rid of the you have a new letter message.

Ooh.... I forgot about that. I figured you must have gotten a notification of new AQ mail--I'm not able to "undo" those notifications or forwarded AQ mail since they aren't on the AQ system anymore.

But I forgot that deleting the AQ mail directly from the database would cause the numbers to go out of whack.

Should be fixed now!

-- Ryan
Re: you have an email
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Reply to: #974963 by Green Tortuga
May 7, 2019 12:05pm
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But I deleted them all because... it was spam. You didn't miss anything.

Come on Ryan, you don’t fool me. You just want to keep all of that Nigerian prince’s money for yourself!!!
Re: you have an email
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Reply to: #974968 by DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie
May 7, 2019 12:27pm
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You just want to keep all of that Nigerian prince’s money for yourself!!!

This was more of a "Russian girls" kind of thing.... Definitely keeping all of them for myself, though. ;o)

-- Ryan
Re: you have an email
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Reply to: #974969 by Green Tortuga
May 7, 2019 5:34pm
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Thank you for your...sacrifice. and vigilance! ☺