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Re: Box maintenance
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Reply to: #968920 by Eidolon
Nov 29, 2018 7:31pm
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Ha ha, that is awesome!
Re: Changing the type of box
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Reply to: #968677 by Moms_Play
Dec 3, 2018 7:03am
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The ones that we had to find in the hotel, from the clue packet should be listed as "traditional", for example, the ones on every floor that combined to form 1 stamp, and the ones that were outside.

There was also clue for all the boxes in the hotel lobby etc. so those as well.

But the ones in your room should be considered HIPS or "event boxes"

You put on a great event!! It was extremely creative! I hope you guys keep it up, and next time I can stay instead of only being there for a few hours.
Re: Changing the type of box
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Reply to: #969008 by Spartanfans
Dec 3, 2018 10:12am
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"But the ones in your room should be considered HIPS or "event boxes""

I thought HIPS and events boxes were different in some cases.

What I thought:

Event boxes are on a table at an event and you go walk up and get it, no searching or clues involved.

Hips are Hidden in Plain Sight, and have clues , altho clues make be vague, but still written clues. So shouldn't they be a traditional count? You had to make the effort to actually search for them.
Re: Changing the type of box
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Reply to: #969010 by airstream dreams
Dec 3, 2018 11:54am
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HIPS boxes don't have clues. They are a type of event box that is on the table but are "hidden in plain sight". For example, my Prehistoric Policeman? is glued to the bottom of a rock. You might miss it if you don't pick it up and look at it. Another example is a stamp hidden in a box of tissues. You might miss that because you might think it's just a box of tissues that someone brought because they had a cold.
Re: Changing the type of box
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Reply to: #969018 by Colorful Caterpillars
Dec 3, 2018 12:15pm
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I just attended an event Sunday and the HIPS were listed as traditional boxes because we had to solve puzzles in order to access (lock boxes) or find the location of the stamps. These boxes took alittle more effort and strategic thinking to get the image. The event host should have the final decision on how their boxes are listed. If attendees don't agree with that choice they don't need to stamp the image. There needs to be alittle more focus on the fun of attending events and stamping images rather than the "rules and regulations" of how boxes are listed and the "counts".
Re: Changing the type of box
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Reply to: #969019 by Una Marlee Sue
Dec 3, 2018 12:57pm
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I totally agree with you. It should be up to the planter and everyone have fun and be a Happy Camper.
Re: Changing the type of box
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Reply to: #969010 by airstream dreams
Dec 3, 2018 5:24pm
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Hips are Hidden in Plain Sight, and have clues , altho clues make be vague, but still written clues. So shouldn't they be a traditional count? You had to make the effort to actually search for them.

Notice that "HIPS" is an attribute only for event stamps? If it's a HIPS, it's an event box.

The vast majority of them I've seen, if they have clues at all, the clues weren't needed to find the box. And while I have "searched" for them, I wouldn't call it an "effort." It just means I was casually "looking around for suspicious-looking objects." I wasn't following clues, and my strategy for finding them is very much different than a real, traditional letterbox.

I know not everyone agrees with me, but there's another reason I prefer them being listed as event boxes--it makes them easier to find online. They can be attached directly to the event so I can pull up a list of event boxes at the event and, "Oh! There it is!" And record the find.

When it's a traditional, I have more trouble finding the listing because first I'm looking in the wrong place ("why isn't it in the list of event boxes?"), then because I have to do a traditional search and I'm not sure how it was listed. Do I search for the park where the event was held? Is it listed as a "mystery" box?

So all things considered, I'd highly recommend listing HIPS as event boxes. They're meant to be listed as event boxes and I've even gone so far as to not record finds on incorrectly-listed event boxes because I don't want them screwing up my F-counts. I've never heard of anyone refusing to record an event box listing because they think it's really a traditional box and they didn't want the find to mess up their event F-count. =)

I know people don't like rules and regulations, but it does help find listings when people are following from the same playbook.

-- Ryan
Re: Changing the type of box
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Reply to: #969040 by Green Tortuga
Dec 4, 2018 12:16am
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I've even gone so far as to not record finds on incorrectly-listed event boxes because I don't want them screwing up my F-counts.

I do that too. I have a spreadsheet with "real totals" (which is sorely out of date, I am working on catching that up) which ignore things which didn't involve me needing to figure out a clue of some sort.
attempts vs. finds question
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Dec 12, 2018 6:19am
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Hi everybody!
I am curious: if we attempted a box and did not find it (and logged it in as an attempt/not found) then later we went back and found it (and logged it in as a find)...why is there still an "attempt" listed on it?

(NOT Criticizing-just curious)

The very first box we attempted to find we could not and logged it as such (I never dreamed I would be crawling on the floor of a library looking up into the stacks like that! Although now that I am more seasoned, it totally doesn't surprise me!!! LOL :) ). Almost 2 years later we went and found it. So that has both an "attempt" and a "find".

Thanks so much!
-PLP
Re: attempts vs. finds question
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Reply to: #969298 by PeaceLovePiano and Mom
Dec 12, 2018 6:36am
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AtlasQuest is set up so that you can record up to one find and one attempt on each box. The fact that you logged a find on one date does not change the fact that you recorded an attempt on the same box on a previous date. If you don't like the attempt being there now that you've found the box, you may delete the attempt.
Re: attempts vs. finds question
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Reply to: #969298 by PeaceLovePiano and Mom
Dec 12, 2018 7:10am
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if we attempted a box and did not find it (and logged it in as an attempt/not found) then later we went back and found it (and logged it in as a find)...why is there still an "attempt" listed on it?

Having both the attempt and the find gives searchers an indication of the difficulty of finding the box--they'll know that if they don't find it immediately to keep on looking and thinking.
Re: attempts vs. finds question
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Reply to: #969300 by Wronghat
Dec 13, 2018 6:53am
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Having both the attempt and the find gives searchers an indication of the difficulty of finding the box

It's not always about difficulty.....our first attempt was a miss but we were literally brand new boxers. Went back a year later with some more experience under our belts, realized our mistakes and then found the box with no difficulty. I believe experience matters in this hobby.

JMHO
Re: attempts vs. finds question
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Reply to: #969338 by Public Hand
Dec 13, 2018 11:21am
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It's not always about difficulty.....our first attempt was a miss but we were literally brand new boxers. Went back a year later with some more experience under our belts, realized our mistakes and then found the box with no difficulty

This serves as good reminder to all, especially for those who are new, not to be too quick to record an attempt. It should only be done when you’re relatively certain that you solved, understood, and followed the clue correctly, and that you’ve searched the right spot thoroughly. If you’re in doubt about any of that, message the planter and see if they will give you a hint where you went wrong, instead of assuming it’s gone.
Finding box versus stamp?
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Dec 13, 2018 12:58pm
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So what really counts as a find? Is it finding the stamp, box or both? Typically you find the box and stamp which is easy to determine.

However what about the following scenarios:

Scenario A You find the empty box or with the dreaded GeoCache trinket.

Scenario B You find a box (can feel or see it and sure it is what you seek) but couldn't retrieve it from it's hiding place. Could be too far into a hole or has fallen farther into the tree opening etc... .

On both counts I definitely let the owner know but should it count as a find?
Re: Finding box versus stamp?
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Reply to: #969352 by IrishRef
Dec 13, 2018 1:06pm
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I like what dingus dufus has said about this question:
Pressing the image into your logbook and your trail stamp into the box logbook were originally meant to be conformation of a successful hunt.

https://www.atlasquest.com/boards/messages.php?startId=925472;authorId=4207;typeId=8
Re: Finding box versus stamp?
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Reply to: #969354 by Wronghat
Dec 13, 2018 1:37pm
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I would count both of your scenarios as attempted. I agree with the above comment.. stamp in book is mission accomplished. My stamp doesn't necessarily have to be in the box's logbook, but the box stamp has to be in mine.
Re: Finding box versus stamp?
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Reply to: #969356 by BaliWho
Dec 13, 2018 1:47pm
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What to do if stamp image on the letterbox logbook is completely different from the image on the stamp that now resides in the letterbox, as if the stamp has been swapped out? We ran into this situation at Walden Pond--counted it and notified owner but never heard back.
Re: Finding box versus stamp?
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Reply to: #969357 by Wronghat
Dec 13, 2018 2:10pm
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Weird. I wonder if someone left their sig stamp by mistake?

I guess I'd count that as a find!
Re: Finding box versus stamp?
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Reply to: #969357 by Wronghat
Dec 13, 2018 2:49pm
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What to do if stamp image on the letterbox logbook is completely different from the image on the stamp that now resides in the letterbox, as if the stamp has been swapped out? We ran into this situation at Walden Pond--counted it and notified owner but never heard back.

I've seen some replacement stamps that were completely unrelated store-bought stamps that a letterboxer obviously left in there without permission from the owner. In those cases, I didn't count it.
Re: Finding box versus stamp?
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Reply to: #969352 by IrishRef
Dec 13, 2018 2:54pm
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Scenario A You find the empty box or with the dreaded GeoCache trinket.

I don't count it.

Scenario B You find a box (can feel or see it and sure it is what you seek) but couldn't retrieve it from it's hiding place. Could be too far into a hole or has fallen farther into the tree opening etc... .

I don't count it. However, I once found a box with the stamp in it, but the stamp, which I could see, was encased in ice. I didn't want to harm the stamp by trying to remove the ice, but I did count that one!
Re: Finding box versus stamp?
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Reply to: #969357 by Wronghat
Dec 13, 2018 3:08pm
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I ran into this situation once. A stamp had been missing from a series and then I saw it was being recorded as a find. I went to check it out and someone and placed a stamp where there were clues indicated for the missing stamp but obviously it didn't fit the theme of the series. I counted it as a unlisted find.
Re: Finding box versus stamp?
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Reply to: #969360 by Rocklun
Dec 13, 2018 4:34pm
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Scenario A You find the empty box or with the dreaded GeoCache trinket.

I've heard tell of some who just ink up the geotrash they find in the box and stamp in with that--once I found a box with a pinecone in it and was sorely tempted.
Re: Finding box versus stamp?
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Reply to: #969366 by Wronghat
Dec 13, 2018 6:36pm
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Yes! I got mild revenge over a travel bug I found in one of my boxes by featuring it in is own box for an event. Everyone inked the harmonica trinket and stamped it. It looked like staves (sorta), so I added notes and called it Blow Me. Naturally.

I believe an innocent noxer got black lips doing just that. Fun all around.

disclaimer: No cachers were harmed in the making of this box. I cleaned it up and sent it w/ a cacher to be put out of my misery in a GC somewhere.
Re: Finding box versus stamp?
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Reply to: #969357 by Wronghat
Dec 13, 2018 6:58pm
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This has happened to us too! I only knew it was the wrong stamp because I had found the HH previously and stamped it! Contacted the owner and no response..... so send the wrong stamp in the HH or wait?!
Re: Finding box versus stamp?
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Reply to: #969352 by IrishRef
Dec 13, 2018 7:26pm
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So what really counts as a find? Is it finding the stamp, box or both?

I've always thought that it is finding (and exchanging) the stamp (image).
Re: Finding box versus stamp?
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Reply to: #969373 by Oberon_Kenobi
Dec 13, 2018 8:16pm
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Remember the first letterbox had no stamp at all.
Still, I feel cheated when I find a letterbox without the stamp, although some of my best letterboxing experiences have ended up with no stamp to show for the effort.
Re: Finding box versus stamp?
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Reply to: #969360 by Rocklun
Dec 13, 2018 8:58pm
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Scenario A You find the empty box or with the dreaded GeoCache trinket.

I don't count it.

I once had a letterboxer tell me that he found one of my boxes that had clearly been geotrashed, stamp was gone and a whole collection of knickknacks left in its place. One of the knickknacks was a rubber snake. So he carefully inked up the belly of the rubber snake and stamped it into his log book. He was proud of this innovation.
Re: Finding box versus stamp?
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Reply to: #969366 by Wronghat
Dec 13, 2018 9:17pm
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I once found a box with its correct log book, but the stamp had been replaced by a piece of T-bone (yes, you heard that right). I inked it up and stamped it in my own log book.
Re: Finding box versus stamp?
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Reply to: #969376 by Kirbert
Dec 13, 2018 10:13pm
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So he carefully inked up the belly of the rubber snake and stamped it into his log book.

After hiking a long ways, and looking hard for a particular box, I found it with nothing inside but the logbook and a little plastic cow (wrapped in the inky felt that once protected a stamp). I was unwilling to leave without the find, so I inked that cow up, and stamped it in my logbook. And yes, I recorded the find.
Re: Finding box versus stamp?
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Reply to: #969352 by IrishRef
Dec 14, 2018 4:16am
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I agree with pretty much everything that has been said so far—if you don’t find the stamp then it’s not a find. How about when you’re looking for a box that should have a container, logbook, and stamp, but some violent act occurred and all that’s left is the stamp? That’s a find in my book.