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Re: The look on AQ
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Reply to: #825598 by Green Tortuga
Jan 16, 2014 7:39am
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IE
Re: AQ Site Language Options.
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Reply to: #825618 by Oberon_Kenobi
Jan 16, 2014 8:51am
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I know that geocaching.com is available in different languages.... Why have two sites when the boxes can be found by anyone who understands the clues

There's more to a letterboxing website than just clues. The geocaching site might have other language options, but if you change to a Spanish site, a lot of the links lead to English resources--which doesn't do much good for someone who doesn't know English. At best, it's a half-hearted attempt at supporting other languages.

And when a Spanish-speaking person has a question or problem, who are they going to contact at the geocaching site that can help them? I still think if I were living in Spain and only spoke Spanish that I'd want a genuine Spanish letterboxing site--not an English site pretending to be Spanish. The English one is for tourists. The Spanish one is for locals. =)

If I was Spanish and wanted to get letterboxing started in Spain, I know I'd be thinking about building a Spanish-language site!

-- Ryan
Re: AQ Site Language Options.
Board: Atlas Quest Announcements
Reply to: #825652 by Green Tortuga
Jan 16, 2014 9:25am
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Please do not make me have to press 1 for English on AQ.
Re: The look on AQ
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Reply to: #825636 by Jaxx
Jan 16, 2014 9:29am
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I'm having the same issue. Some of the icons look squished. I am using IE8

Well there's your problem right there! Internet Explorer sucks. =)

Just kidding... Well, it does suck. I don't have IE8 installed, but I changed the code on my development machine so my version of IE will "simulate" an IE8 experience and I'm still not seeing problems. AQ looks absolutely awful in IE8, but nothing like what you describe. The only thing that makes the IE8 look so awful is that there aren't any rounded corners, but that's just a cosmetic thing and not something I can really do about.

One thing you can try if you haven't already, force a refresh of your browser. I have been updating some CSS pages, and there's a possibility your browser could be using an old version of it. Try clicking "Ctrl-F5" to make sure you're using the newest stuff.

If that doesn't work.... I'm not sure what to tell you. I'll try dropping by the library today and using one of their computers--maybe they have an old computer with IE8 installed that I can try looking at. But IE8 is a pretty old, antiquated browser at this point. It's definitely time to upgrade to something better! You might not be able to upgrade to a newer version of IE depending on the operating system you're using, but I'd seriously consider switching to Firefox or Chrome or something if upgrading IE isn't an option. They really are a huge improvement over IE8. *nodding*

-- Ryan
Re: The look on AQ
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Reply to: #825594 by purplerose froggyking
Jan 16, 2014 3:50pm
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I'm so glad I'm not the only one. I've had that problem for 2 days--only at work on Internet Explorer.
Re: The look on AQ
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Reply to: #825722 by Topcollector
Jan 16, 2014 6:04pm
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Yeah, I noticed it today at work. IE again.
Re: The look on AQ
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Reply to: #825658 by Green Tortuga
Jan 16, 2014 6:42pm
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This started happening when you last upgraded the Hall of Fame. Could that be the problem?
Re: The look on AQ
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Reply to: #825750 by purplerose froggyking
Jan 17, 2014 12:17am
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This started happening when you last upgraded the Hall of Fame. Could that be the problem?

I'm not really sure how. Most of the changes I made for that was CSS code specific to just those pages--not stuff that would change styles on all pages. Those were really localized changes. That was part of the reason I focused on those pages first (that and the glossary)--the necessary CSS changes were very localized. There are some other changes I'd like to make, but they would affect all pages so I'm not working on those at the moment.

I haven't been able to find an IE8 browser anywhere to run some tests on either, so I'm not having much luck with figuring out the problem either. But AQ is so darned ugly and horrible in IE8, I'm not even sure it's worth the time and effort to track down given the dwindling numbers of people who use it. I'd really recommend using IE9 or higher--or some other browser altogether. The difference between IE8 and IE9 is substantial!

-- Ryan
Re: The look on AQ
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Reply to: #825778 by Green Tortuga
Jan 17, 2014 2:59am
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in IE8, I'm not even sure it's worth the time and effort to track down given the dwindling numbers of people who use it. I'd really recommend using IE9 or higher--or some other browser altogether

If you have XP, IE8 is the last version they made for it so you do not have an option to upgrade to 9 or 10. And there are still a _LOT_ of people who are and will continue using XP. So not as dwindling as you hope in the short term.
Re: The look on AQ
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Reply to: #825780 by Eidolon
Jan 17, 2014 4:18am
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If you have XP, IE8 is the last version they made for it so you do not have an option to upgrade to 9 or 10.

Yes, but Microsoft has said that they will no longer support XP after April.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/endofsupport.aspx

That means every computer running XP should be upgrading to a newer OS in the next few months. (I think I have 4 computers that need to be retired or upgraded.)
Re: The look on AQ
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Reply to: #825782 by MichKathy
Jan 17, 2014 5:24am
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Microsoft has said that they will no longer support XP after April.

Just because they don't support it doesn't mean it is going away. That just means they will no longer be releasing updates and/or patches.

It is no different than Office 2003 and Server 2003, which will be retired at the same time as Windows XP; they still work just fine and people will continue to use them.

That means every computer running XP should be upgrading to a newer OS in the next few months.

Oh I agree with "should" but even Microsoft has been realistic about such things. There is a reason the retirement date for XP has already been changed more than once; probably something to do with the still 15%+ market share according to a recent report I saw.
Re: The look on AQ
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Reply to: #825780 by Eidolon
Jan 17, 2014 9:40am
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If you have XP, IE8 is the last version they made for it so you do not have an option to upgrade to 9 or 10. And there are still a _LOT_ of people who are and will continue using XP. So not as dwindling as you hope in the short term.

It's definitely dwindling as people replace computers. They don't last forever, you know. =) Microsoft might still be "supporting" these older systems (for now), but I'm pretty sure they aren't selling them anymore!

I know there are some people who can't upgrade the browser (and, in fact, I'd be willing to bet most of the people using IE8 are probably in that group), but those are pretty old systems by today's standards, and they're the systems people are most likely to replace in the next couple of years.

But.... Even for those that don't replace them soon.... those system will still run Chrome, Firefox, Safari, and every other browser out there. And at this point, there's no comparison between IE8 and the latest version of the other browsers, so there are viable alternatives.

This month, the percentage of people using IE8 on AQ is down to 6.8%, and that number is just getting smaller with each passing day. I'd like to keep supporting it and even set up my development system so my version of IE will simulate how IE8 runs (gives me an idea of what IE8 folks are seeing), but whatever this problem is, it's not something I can replicate.

-- Ryan
Re: Publishing on AQ.....?
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Reply to: #822645 by Sunia
Jan 17, 2014 2:10pm
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How fun! My neighbor teaches a Ukiraniun (sp?) egg class. She made one for me with fish on it that is simular to yours.
I have chickens and I am saving eggs for her. She especially likes the blue & green ones that my Americana's lay.

It's always fun to see artist's work!
Re: AQ Site Language Options.
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Reply to: #825657 by DeeCee
Jan 17, 2014 2:38pm
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Please do not make me have to press 1 for English on AQ.

Aw, 1 isn't so bad. It's when they say press 3 that I worry. :-)
Re: AQ Site Language Options.
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Reply to: #825470 by Green Tortuga
Jan 17, 2014 3:12pm
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In my last job I worked for a high-tech company managing the user documentation. That included translating into 35 languages. 35 - can you believe that!? So come on Ryan - it's only *one* language! LoL!!!

Well really it's a lot of work. Everything was developed in English and then sent out to a translation firm. Translators had to come up language specific terms that hadn't been thought of yet. And then when we thought we were done the product function would change . . . and the English needed to be re-written and sent out . . . . and then there would be a time crunch with getting everything to production and then . . . oh gosh, I better stop. I'm going to have night mares tonight. LoL!!

Anyway . . . . the languages have different accents and special characters that take special keyboards and sometimes those characters messed with implementing it into the driver software. But that's nothing compared to Japanese, Chinese, Korean . . and Arabic. Oh Arabic - they read a book from the opposite direction than we do. So the front cover is on what we consider to be the back cover. Printing was fun on that one. Okay, you all are responsible for taking me down memory lane here. 8-0

But yes, support would be tricky. Unless you wanted to do something like this:
1) member to Spanish translator
2) translator to GT
3) GT to translator
4) translator to member
5) go to 1 and repeat . . . over and over again.

But hey, on the flip side it could be a great plan to learn Spanish, right!?! :-)
Perhaps Wassa could manage it . . . ? It really does sound like it could be a fun new challenge.

Anyway thanks for bringing back the memories! . . . I think. :-)
Re: AQ Site Language Options.
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Reply to: #825927 by Kurious Jo
Jan 17, 2014 4:53pm
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Perhaps Wassa could manage it . . . ? It really does sound like it could be a fun new challenge.

Sure Wassa could manage it. Moose and sqvirrel can do anything.
Re: AQ Site Language Options.
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Reply to: #825657 by DeeCee
Jan 17, 2014 5:08pm
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Please do not make me have to press 1 for English on AQ.

Aprima numero 2 para Español.

Seriously though, there is a negotiation that can occur between your browser and a web site. If there are multiple language versions available on a web site, the browser tells the site which version to send. You probably don't know about it because your browser defaulted to the correct language, English for you. I've set up English as primary, but Spanish is secondary.

Well, most browsers have it, but I can't find the language settings on Chrome on my tablet. Firefox help on my tablet says that language is chosen when I chose which version to download. I'm upgrading my desktop right now so I can't check there, but I've done the above selections there.
Re: The look on AQ
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Reply to: #825782 by MichKathy
Jan 18, 2014 12:05am
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Yes, but Microsoft has said that they will no longer support XP after April.

It doesn't help matters when, apparently, upgrading is not easy. A friend recently did so and had a lot of trouble. Make very, very sure you have all your important stuff backed up before you upgrade.

As for me, when my XP proves no longer functional, I'll probably upgrade -- to Linux. I've just about had it with Windows. The only reason I haven't already gone to Linux is because I'm sure it'd be six months before I was fully operational once again -- but that'd apparently be true updating to the new Windows as well, so as long as I have to go through the learning process it might as well be a change to a likeable OS.
Event Page Weather Report
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Jan 18, 2014 7:53pm
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I have to say I am not a fan of the weather report on the event page.. I had at least 10 people cancel on the blahs for fear of weather issues.. the weather app thingy on AQ did not remotely match the local weather for the day of the event.

It is just too much information on the event page, I would make a suggestion of removing it.

MushrooM
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Jan 19, 2014 7:04am
Time to update the database: Phil Everly died two weeks ago. As such, he did not turn 75 today. :)
Re: Event Page Weather Report
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Reply to: #826119 by MushrooM
Jan 19, 2014 8:48am
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Ditto.

If people want that information they can visit the Weather Channel and check out the info for the town.

On a side note Direct TV eliminated The Weather Channel and have replaced it with Weather Nation which is pitiful. Basically a contract negotiation breakdown.
Re: Event Page Weather Report
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Reply to: #826119 by MushrooM
Jan 19, 2014 4:24pm
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Actually, I do enjoy the weather report a week before an event. It gives me a general idea of what to pack. Even if it is incorrect, the local weatherman can be very wrong on the next day forecast too. Please keep the weather report. We can use the TV and all sources available along with it.
Re: Event Page Weather Report
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Reply to: #826119 by MushrooM
Jan 19, 2014 5:33pm
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I had at least 10 people cancel on the blahs for fear of weather issues..

And you don't think they wouldn't have been able to get a weather forecast somewhere else? I can't say it surprises me that people might not go to an event if they think the weather is going to be bad, but I'm a little doubtful that everyone who goes to an event isn't going to see a weather forecast before going.

I know I always like to check the weather before going to an outdoor event--I need to know what (and how much) to wear! You won't like having me around if it's freezing outsize and I'm wearing a T-shirt. =)

Weather forecasts are notoriously unreliable, but it does occur to me that displaying a daily forecast for a specific time.... I should display the forecast for the hour the event starts which I can have it do about a day beforehand. Weather forecasts that are a week ahead.... are admittedly pretty useless. Perhaps I should only display them a few days ahead instead.

But anyhow.... you can try to hide weather information from people, but people are going to get it whether you like it or not. They'll see it on TV, or hear it on the radio. It might not be perfect, but it seems like a bad idea for people to show up at events without really having any idea of what kind of weather to expect!

-- Ryan
Re: Event Page Weather Report
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Reply to: #826280 by Green Tortuga
Jan 19, 2014 6:07pm
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But anyhow.... you can try to hide weather information from people, but people are going to get it whether you like it or not. They'll see it on TV, or hear it on the radio. It might not be perfect, but it seems like a bad idea for people to show up at events without really having any idea of what kind of weather to expect!

Seriously Ryan I have no clue what the hell you are saying here... I WAS NOT SUGGESTING HIDING THE WEATHER report I was just noting that several folks mentioned the AQ REPORT which did not match other local forecasts and the icon showed what looked like heavy rain but when you clicked on it is said light scattered precipitation.. I only suggest that it is a highly inaccurate service (and because it is on AQ it is gospel) but WHATEVER .. why listen to someone who actually runs an event.

M.
Re: Event Page Weather Report
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Reply to: #826292 by MushrooM
Jan 19, 2014 6:34pm
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I WAS NOT SUGGESTING HIDING THE WEATHER report

I'm sorry I misunderstood you. It sounded like you didn't want a weather report on the event page.

I only suggest that it is a highly inaccurate service

One anecdotal incident isn't really all that convincing. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but nobody has a 100% reliable weather forecast. I could switch to the Weather Channel data feed, but then people would complain that it's not very accurate. (And, in fact, people did when I used to used that feed.) I could switch to the Weather Underground, but they haven't always been accurate either. (Which did, in fact, happen.)

If you know of a weather feed that's always accurate, I'd love to know about it, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist. I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you are suggesting that I should do. Removing the weather on an event page doesn't mean people are going to get better weather forecasts.

Although, more interesting, there are a lot more "agrees" to your post than "disagrees," which suggests to me that people just aren't interested in weather forecasts on AQ. It doesn't really bother me, but if there's a large majority of people who would prefer not to see it, I would certainly get rid of it. You're one voice among many--I have to consider everyone, though.

why listen to someone who actually runs an event.

I'm listening, and I'm trying to explain my point of view and have a discussion. I've run more than one event myself, but apparently my opinion doesn't matter to you. I feel like you're just baiting me now.

I'm listening, but you have to convince me. One bad weather forecast isn't very convincing. Sorry. =(

-- Ryan
Re: Event Page Weather Report
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Reply to: #826305 by Green Tortuga
Jan 19, 2014 6:47pm
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I was suggesting removing the weather report from the event page....

.. ... not trying to bait.. you can take my suggestion or not but I feel that most of us know to check the weather when we are heading out why make people second guess attending an event five days beforehand?

Since I won't be doing an event next year it doesn't really affect me *shrug* forget I made a suggestion..

M.
Re: Event Page Weather Report
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Reply to: #826119 by MushrooM
Jan 20, 2014 3:49am
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10 people cancelling a winter outside event because of possible snow? Well, it wasn't a snowstorm like it was...4? years ago. But, my little Civic did fishtale once on the way to the trails because the streets weren't plowed yet. So, for those people who don't like to drive in the snow, maybe it was a good decision to stay home. But, we knew ahead of time how to dress, kept an eye on the other weather sites for accuracy/confirmation. Honestly, I have hosted events and people cancel for any excuse they think won't upset me. If I'm feeling lazy and whatnot, I might blame it on the weather or health when it's only partially for those reasons. Your event was great and it's sad that people missed it but I wouldn't give full credit to the weather or a weather app.
Re: Event Page Weather Report
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Reply to: #826313 by MushrooM
Jan 20, 2014 5:04am
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If you live in the New York, NJ, CT area, I really recommend Tri-State Weather on Facebook (yes, I know it is not AQ related, but it is a really excellent service).

Tomorrow, we are getting some significant snow. The mainstream news began talking about it last night. Tri-State weather began warning everyone about five days ago. They are pretty accurate, and run by real meteorologists.

Just something people could use to look at long range forecasts, especially for outdoor events in our area.

Jaxx
Re: Event Page Weather Report
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Reply to: #826305 by Green Tortuga
Jan 20, 2014 9:42am
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I'm listening, but you have to convince me.

Okay, I will weigh in on the side of MushrooM here. I'm pretty neutral here, because your weather reports don't even cover New Zealand.

One anecdotal incident is enough to demonstrate that some people will be disuaded from going to an event because of the weather report.

The weather feed you are using is probably no more or less accurate than any other, but in any place with variable weather, weather prediction is notoriously inaccurate.

This means that having an in-your-face weather report on the event page may, indeed, disuade people from attending an event. It's a question of salience. People can always check the weather report on their own, but having it right there on the event page means even people who normally couldn't be bothered will see it there.

It might be a worthwhile suggestion to allow the event organiser to decide whether the weather report appears on the event page. Atlas Quest has so many options like that (e.g. whether to show attempts), this would be a nice one.
Re: Event Page Weather Report
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Reply to: #826417 by 55 Steps
Jan 20, 2014 10:30am
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because your weather reports don't even cover New Zealand.

Are you sure about that? I couldn't test it on the live site since there don't appear to be any New Zealand events listed, but I tried it on my development site and it shows a weather forecast when I created an event in Christchurch today. (It shows High: 64°F, Low: 56°F, Chance of Rain: 86%, Cloud Cover: 93% -- I don't have any way of checking if that's accurate, though, since I'm not in Christchurch!)

It might be a worthwhile suggestion to allow the event organiser to decide whether the weather report appears on the event page.

You might be right about that, but what about people who want to see the weather forecast on the event page? Should they have an option to override the event organizer's request not to display the forecast? Although if that option existed, it would make the event organizer's option kind of pointless. So I could let the event organizer choose whether they prefer the weather forecast to be displayed or not, and then individual accounts can choose if they want to see it or not see it, and if the individual doesn't make a preference, let it default to the event organizer's preference.

Which seems a little complicated, but it does seem more than fair. Event organizer's can hide weather forecasts they don't like, unless the individually deliberately overrides that. Or the event organizer can display a weather forecast... unless the individual deliberately overrides that. Everyone gets what they want! =) Seems like a lot of work to implement. Let me think about it.... I might do that, but it'll likely be at least a couple of weeks if I do.

-- Ryan