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Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #596911 by figureeight
Apr 3, 2011 11:14pm
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We are not Fla.

Good point! They probably ship x blankets to every Wally World, and here in FL they go unsold until they discount them heavily.
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #596932 by Baqash
Apr 3, 2011 11:16pm
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So, do we need to see "gorpkins" added to the glossary?
Re: carving injury :)
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Reply to: #596985 by Raven
Apr 4, 2011 12:14am
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I tried super gluing it but I couldnt stop the bleeding. dang near lost the tip and side of my finger
Re: carving injury :)
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Reply to: #596997 by HerSheI
Apr 4, 2011 4:55am
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I tried super gluing it but I couldnt stop the bleeding. dang near lost the tip and side of my finger

superglue but then pull it together with tape and let it set for awhile. Then you can take the tape off and it should hold. Or even a bandaid. just something that will keep the edges together while the glue starts its job.

hmmm why do I know this?
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #596860 by Kirbert
Apr 4, 2011 5:06am
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I saw an X-Acto knife on sale at Wally World the other day for $2. Didn't buy it, didn't need it. X-Acto also has another type handle available at Wally World, it's got the clamping knob way down at the butt end of the handle rather than up next to the blade.

Thanks for sharing this information. It actully made me stop and take a closer look at the handles of my knives. One of the handles in my knife set has a round end and I was able to FINALLY find a handle strong enough to hold my vet needles! Last night I had a blast learning to carve with the needles. What a difference those make!

So...thank you, thank you, thank you for taking the time to write back and helping me problem solve my carving area. I never gave the handles of the X-Acto knives a thought because I thought their ends were all the same.

Tri-Colored Paws
P.S. I tried the razor knife for the first time the other night and loved how sturdy and easy it was. Now to practice precision!
Carving tool wall cabinet
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Apr 4, 2011 5:29am
Yesterday, while Googling tool handles, ideas started forming in my head. Has anyone tried to make a wall cabinet for their carving tools? I would like to make one so my knives are safely stashed away but easily accessible. Right now, I've got numerous kits sitting here and there. Time to organize and keep sharp tools away from visiting children.

Sorry about your finger, "Red Bird".
Tri-Colored Paws
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #596925 by Baqash
Apr 4, 2011 5:31am
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gorpkins
The base word is "gorp" - good ole raisins and peanuts. Just a reminder I taught Physical Education not English.
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #596992 by Kirbert
Apr 4, 2011 6:48am
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OK, please explain that better. I regularly use my Speedball #5 to dig so deep that the tips of the U are barely out of the rubber -- but admittedly I'm not actually carving anything at the time, I'm just clearing out big white areas with the edges already established.

When I scoop out the big white areas, the white parts are shallower and when you press down on the stamp, there's less thickness to keep the weight of your pressure evenly distributed. It seems like the problem is that when I make the first pass, it cuts fine. I make another pass close to it and that is fine. But there often ends up being a raised area between the 2 passes that is not fine, so I then take the gouge and scoop that out, too. Now the rubber is much thinner there and the weight is already not going to be even, but then I stamp the image and now I've got areas between the three cuts that are stamping when they shouldn't, so now I have to cut more. Seems like a never ending problem.

What I've started doing is using the larger gouge when I can and just barely taking any swipes at it. It ends up being maybe just twice as big cuts as if I'd used the smaller one. Then I stamp and when I find the raised areas that are stamping and shouldn't, I still need to take the smaller gouge to clean up the gorpkins. No matter if I use the big gouge or not, I'm always using the small gouge for the main cleanup.

Seems like when I carve, the only time it would save time to use the big gouge is when there are huge amounts of white area, and when that happens, you already have a hard enough time keeping the white area from stamping inadvertently. If I mounted on wood, it would be less of a problem, but I mount on foam so I have to be more careful about cleanup in the white area. Too shallow makes ink gorpkins on the image. Too deep still makes ink gorpkins on the image.
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597004 by Tri-Colored Paws
Apr 4, 2011 6:49am
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For some reason I thought the Razor knife and the Xaxto knife were the same thing. Where would I find a Razor knife? Or does that need to be made up special?
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597010 by figureeight
Apr 4, 2011 6:53am
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My guess is that one of Mr. Dale's former students added that to urban dictionary. Back when I was a freshman, the world wide web wasn't even a glimmer in our eyes and the only dictionary was the big "bug squasher" that was kept on a shelf.
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597029 by Okie Dog
Apr 4, 2011 7:37am
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Where would I find a Razor knife? Or does that need to be made up special?

I had to Google it to see exactly what a razor knife was myself. I also thought they were the same as the X-acto until I started looking around. What I happen to grab the other night, my daughter calls a "box cutter". It does have the razor and it is a knife. I still could be using the term wrong but that's what I used and I LOVED it.

Now to sit back and see what others call a razor knife. That will be interesting. Google came up with a lot of knives.
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597049 by Tri-Colored Paws
Apr 4, 2011 7:56am
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tcp that is what I would call a razor knife too
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #596861 by Kirbert
Apr 4, 2011 8:37am
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I don't find it tedious at all, wonder what you guys are talking about. After inking and stamping once, I just grab my Speedball #1 and slice away anything that has ink on it that isn't part of the image. Only takes a few seconds.

In my limited experience (I've now done only a little over a dozen carves) I carve the whole thing, think I've got all the parts that are not meant to take ink carved out, but then I stamp and there are tons of stray lines. I carve them out with either the large* V or the U gouge (depending on the size of the area and how close it is to things I don't want to mess up). Then I stamp again and there are more funky stray lines. So I repeat the process until I'm happy. I have saved most of the sheets I've used to stamp onto and it's usually 8-10 images before I'm happy with the final result. I wonder if it's because I don't mount my stamps, so maybe the outer edges get pushed down more than they would if I mounted them?

*Of course, what I now refer to as the "large" V gouge was once what I used for "fine detail"! I think it's a #2 V- the smallest that came with my original Speedball kit. Of course now it seems huge!
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597057 by Monkeys!
Apr 4, 2011 9:18am
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so maybe the outer edges get pushed down more than they would if I mounted them?

To carve a frame around the edge helps with some images.
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597071 by figureeight
Apr 4, 2011 9:38am
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a frame as was suggested or trim off the excess edges with your knife
Re: carving injury :)
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Reply to: #596981 by Outdoor Adventurer
Apr 4, 2011 10:06am
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I like the advice about the super glue and bandaids. Thanks! Next time I carve I'll make sure the blinds are closed so I can't see outside to get distracted. :)
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #596867 by Fiddleheads
Apr 4, 2011 10:20am
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I too am anal and have to carve one image at a time. I usually can't do it in one sitting (bad back and all), but I'll do it all in one day with a few 15-20 minute breaks.
I used to be strictly a gauge carver, but have been using the knife more often for getting into really tight corners.

To get fine detail with a gouge, you carve very shallow cuts. Then you make more cuts parallel to the first, creating a series of ridges. This can leave spots/strips that are too high.

I've found something that helps me when carving out white areas. I'll cut once around the entire inside perimeter of the space and then on the subsequent passes I'll angle the blade a little (tip the open end a little more towards the part I haven't carved) I can shave off more of those little ridges.
I also try to carve in a natural direction. What I mean by that is, if I'm carving a face, I carve in the direction of the cheekbones, or forehead, etc... If I have a few stray "trail lines" they often times look like they are part of the detail.
For the areas outside of the image, I will cut away as much extra material as possible leaving only about 1/4 inch. I make this as clean as possible, then mount the stamp. I stamp a few more times to see if it needs even more cleaning. Then angle the larger V-gouge so it bevels the extreme outer edge of the material.

(Hope that made sense. It's hard to describe how it's done!)
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #596873 by Kirbert
Apr 4, 2011 11:57am
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Here are two pictures, Kirbert:
(This is a spoiler stamp for you Ontario boxers!)

http://www.atlasquest.com/gallery/viewalbum.html?gAlbumId=2811

Look at the second one first - it's untouched. The top image I worked on for awhile to clean it up, but it's still not done.
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597127 by Fiddleheads
Apr 4, 2011 7:39pm
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Where's my eyeglass cleaner when I need it. I can barely make out either one of those pictures...forget seeing any stray lines...Sorry.

But they look perfect to me. ;-)
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597027 by Dizzy
Apr 4, 2011 7:43pm
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When I scoop out the big white areas, the white parts are shallower and when you press down on the stamp, there's less thickness to keep the weight of your pressure evenly distributed.

Well, obviously one potential solution might be to remove that section of rubber altogether. That's similar to cutting close around the perimeter of the image so you don't get stray marks from the edges.

Still, it makes me wonder how hard you're pressing when you stamp. I mount my stamps with soft, squishy foam, and one nice thing about that is that it tells you not to push so hard. Press just hard enough that the foam deforms, not so hard that it's completely crushed. And that's nowhere near hard enough to press the recessed areas of the rubber down onto the paper.
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597029 by Okie Dog
Apr 4, 2011 7:47pm
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For some reason I thought the Razor knife and the Xaxto knife were the same thing.

Well, to be fair, we bandie these terms around a lot without being too careful about their precise meanings. In truth, an X-Acto knife is a brand name, and the generic term for it is a "hobby knife." There are several other companies that make hobby knives including Testor's. Around here we sometimes refer to any of these as "razor knives", but really razor knives include boxcutters -- and I don't think any of us would recommend trying to carve stamps with those.

My own invention is a "wire knife", a cutting tool made from a tiny piece of music wire and held in a pin vise. I tend to refer to it as a razor knife as well because it's used exactly the same way, it's just smaller -- but admittedly it's probably stretching the definition a bit because it's made from wire rather than thin sheet metal.
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597127 by Fiddleheads
Apr 4, 2011 8:03pm
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Yeah, I can see how hacking out the stray marks would be time consuming for you gouge carving folks. But still, you just look at the stamp itself after trial stamping, and all those stray marks are just as obvious on the stamp as they are on paper. So you just run around and zip them all outta there, right?
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597250 by Kirbert
Apr 4, 2011 8:05pm
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Kirbert, I got some of those wire knives from you and put one in an old x-acto holder but never could get the gist of how to cut with it. I didn't practice much after trying out the hypo needle and have been using it instead...
I actually need to get another needle, its getting rather dull. Easier for me to just buy another as I am not one to know how to file correctly to sharpen, especially something that small...I never could get it....some get it, some don't. Sometimes you feel like a ......

Was it said you can buy those needles at animal supply places. There is one of those not far from me..
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597257 by Okie Dog
Apr 4, 2011 8:54pm
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okie, you use the wire knife exactly the same way you use a needle.

romana
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597255 by Kirbert
Apr 4, 2011 8:56pm
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But still, you just look at the stamp itself after trial stamping, and all those stray marks are just as obvious on the stamp as they are on paper. So you just run around and zip them all outta there, right?

That's what I do. It doesn't seem like that part of the process ever takes me that long. I use the U gouge as much as possible for clean up and cut out close to the edge of the stamp to reduce this process too.
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597268 by Romana
Apr 4, 2011 9:34pm
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Oh, well, duh. Thanks, Romana. Guess I will give it another try, soon.....
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597255 by Kirbert
Apr 4, 2011 10:46pm
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you just look at the stamp itself after trial stamping, and all those stray marks are just as obvious on the stamp as they are on paper. So you just run around and zip them all outta there, right?

Right! But then I ink up and stamp again...and there are more lines, in other places! So I repeat the process. Multiple times. Eventually, it gets done. But it does take a while- and the fact that the image itself is already done just makes it sort of anticlimactic. The thrill of seeing the completed image has faded and it's just a tad tedious. Nothing that will cause me to stop carving any time soon, of course!
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597257 by Okie Dog
Apr 4, 2011 11:22pm
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Kirbert, I got some of those wire knives from you and put one in an old x-acto holder but never could get the gist of how to cut with it. I didn't practice much after trying out the hypo needle and have been using it instead...

If you start out with an X-Acto blade, both the wire knife and the needle take some getting used to -- for different reasons. For the wire knife, there are two things you've gotta learn: First is that you cannot cut deep, period, if you try the blade binds up in the rubber. This is because the cutting edge is only a couple of mm long, not an inch long as with the X-Acto. Second, you've gotta learn which way the blade is pointing. With an X-Acto, you can just look at the big broad side of that #11 and clearly see which way it's pointing. The two flats on a wire knife, though, are not parallel to the way the edge is pointing. Hence, I suggest users carefully line up the blade with the slots in the collet in their handle so they can just look at the collet to see which way the blade is aiming.

With the needle, the thing you've gotta learn is that the cut isn't in line with the centerline of the needle. The cutting edge has an angle to it, so if you're holding the handle at one angle it's cutting at another angle. If you're holding the needle open-side-up, the cut will be steeper than you're holding the handle. If you're holding it rounded-side-up, the cut will be shallower than you're holding the handle. Of course, the angle at which you cut isn't really all that important as long as there is an angle, but it is a bit disconcerting at first that the cut doesn't seem to be going where you think it's going.

One nice thing about needles is that you can start with a great big honkin' one, one of those 16 gauge horse needles or even 14 or 12 gauge (the smaller the number, the bigger the needle). That 12 gauge looks about the size of a drinking straw! :-) But as your skills develop, you can easily move up to a smaller human-size needle such as a 19, 20, or even smaller. Of course, to some extent there's the same issue as with the wire knives: The cutting edge is only a coupla mm long, and if you sink it too far it stops cutting. This isn't much of an issue with the horse needles but it becomes more apparent with the smaller needles.

Was it said you can buy those needles at animal supply places. There is one of those not far from me..

Yep. Cheap, too, like 35 cents each. Be sure to choose the needles with the longer shanks; the shorter ones are too short to chuck up in your handle.
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597246 by Kirbert
Apr 5, 2011 6:02am
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Well, obviously one potential solution might be to remove that section of rubber altogether.

Tried that but I had poor results. I have never had anyone show me how (I'm visual and simple pictures don't work, I have to see movement) so I'm probably doing something wrong.

Still, it makes me wonder how hard you're pressing when you stamp.

Not hard, IMO. If I let up even the slightest, the entire thing doesn't stamp so I press just hard enough to get the whole thing to stamp. If I press harder, that's when I have more problems. So no, I don't think I press too hard.

The original question was why use the smaller gouge to clean out the white. The simple answer is that by using the smaller gouge, it gives me the best possible image. I don't complain about how long it takes me to clean out the white, I was just offering my reasons for not using the large gouge (very often) myself.
Re: How many stamps at once?
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Reply to: #597293 by Kirbert
Apr 5, 2011 7:06am
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Okay, thanks, Kirbert, for all the info..

While I'm already typing, I have another question but its for anyone that went to LBCon. I believe.... I got this needle from Ragsenigma from the carving demo they put on, and so, I don't know what size needle this one is. It was stuck into a wooden handle and glued there. I will have to get another pin vise for use of a new needle. Does anyone know what size needle this one was so I can buy the same size? hmmm, wonder if the person at the animal supply store can look at it and know the size.....?.....I will be taking it with me.....

Thanks