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Re: Gouge Modification Photos
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Reply to: #801861 by turkey feathers
Sep 1, 2013 7:28pm
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psst, you using the sharp end?

d'oh! I knew I must be doing something wrong. Thanks for clearing that up :P
Re: Gouge Modification Photos
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Reply to: #801848 by The Wolf Family
Sep 1, 2013 7:46pm
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Ya snooze, ya loose!!

Umm...interesting typo there!?!?!

Not only am I late, I am excessively available too... ;)

You fight dirty :p
Re: Gouge Modification Photos
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Reply to: #801858 by Khameleon
Sep 1, 2013 8:52pm
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The mini was easy to use

I'm having trouble with the reverse #1.

Man, I can't use either one! Some sort of moron effect seems to take over when either one is in my hand. I'm almost scared to try the K, even though it sounds like just what I need.
Re: RIP Staedtler 1V
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Reply to: #794611 by FORAYCH
Sep 1, 2013 9:33pm
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As best as possible click a button that fits your total range (including taxes and shipping if need be) for purchase specifically of a carving tool:

A single carving tool? I clicked $0-15. But we're talking about what a beginner would want, right? We're concerned about what the new carvers will be buying, right? That could be higher but should contain a variety of gouges. After all, we want new carvers.
Re: RIP Staedtler 1V
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Reply to: #801896 by Oberon_Kenobi
Sep 1, 2013 10:34pm
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After all, we want new carvers.

Most definitely. It looks like the range is anywhere from $0-25 for most voters. A $25 tool probably would not be purchased by a newbie (unless they have experienced boxing friends guiding them). Likely newbies will do what many of us probably did - get a Speedball set with four nibs, attack some Speedy Carve and see what people think. After some experience under their belt, the more likely a "good" tool would be sought.
Re: RIP Staedtler 1V
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Reply to: #801899 by FORAYCH
Sep 1, 2013 11:05pm
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Likely newbies will do

You are so right. That is exactly what I did. I'm a newbie and have just started carving. I just posted my first handcarved sig. stamp. So what do you think of it???
Re: RIP Staedtler 1V
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Reply to: #801903 by Granny Hummingbird
Sep 1, 2013 11:52pm
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I think you did a wonderful job! I am rather partial to hummingbirds - you did them proud :)
Re: Gouge Modification Photos
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Reply to: #801721 by Kirbert
Sep 1, 2013 11:55pm
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This gallery now contains one new pic of a K gouge as well as pics of reversed and miniaturized gouges and a 3U:

http://www.atlasquest.com/gallery/viewalbum.html?gAlbumId=3810

I really wish it were possible to rearrange the photos into a deliberate presentation order rather than just chronologically or alphabetically.
Re: Gouge Modification Photos
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Reply to: #801858 by Khameleon
Sep 2, 2013 12:11am
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Perhaps some of the experienced reversed gouge carvers can chime in here, but I think there's probably a fundamental difference in style that determines whether a reversed will work for you or not. When using a regular V gouge, there are two methods that you can use to control how deep the gouge cuts, and hence how big a cut it makes. The first and most obvious method is to just hold it carefully; when it's a bit too deep, lift it a bit, and when it's a bit too shallow, press it into the rubber more firmly. The other, less obvious method is to allow the gouge to ride on the surface of the rubber on the smooth bottom of the nib just behind the cutting edge, and adjust the depth of cut by changing the angle of the handle: The higher the handle, the deeper the cut. Either method works well with a regular V gouge because it's designed to be easy to control.

The reversed is a different animal, though. Simply guided through the rubber, it wants to dive! And it'll quickly go entirely too deep if the carver isn't careful. If you control the depth by holding the gouge at the level you want, you'll have to manhandle it to keep it from going too deep. Honestly, I do that -- but I'm 6'4" and 300 lb, no shortage of strength here. And, frankly, it's still not easy to do. The other method, though, letting the gouge ride on its smooth bottom and merely adjusting the handle angle to control depth, works much better and with much less brute force. You can run into some issues when the smooth bottom falls into the groove you just cut, but in general it seems to work well.

Alternatively, you can choose to use a reversed only when you're making very tiny cuts, which keeps the diving issue negligible.
Re: RIP Staedtler 1V
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Reply to: #801896 by Oberon_Kenobi
Sep 2, 2013 12:19am
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We're concerned about what the new carvers will be buying, right?

Are we? That survey was in response to FORAYCH's question, but at one time I was trying to find out what experienced carvers would be willing to pay for a top-notch tool. The problem was that the Staedtler 1V -- a top-notch tool -- was going away, and it appears that anything nearly as good will probably be based on a woodcutting tool and hence will be considerably more expensive. Webfoot is balking because she believes that the cost of such a tool needs to be in line with what the Staedtler was -- but she can't find anything that fits the bill. I'm suggesting that experienced carvers would be willing to pay more for a truly excellent tool, and hence she should be looking at woodcutting tools.

But if we're talking beginners, that's another issue. I agree, cost is a major factor -- but the Speedball lino cutter set fills the bill nicely.
Re: Gouge Modification Photos
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Reply to: #801909 by Kirbert
Sep 2, 2013 6:58am
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That's probably a pretty darn good assessment! I was pretty sure it was in the carving style but I couldn't explain it. I know I angle my gouge every which way. And for long wide cuts I pick up a normal #1. The reverse is for detail work.

I've had people tell me that they think their reverse is just not sharp but I kind of doubt that. I think it is just in the carving style. But I plan on trying someone else's reverse next week and they will use mine so we shall see...
Thin lines?
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Sep 2, 2013 7:52am
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I have a question. Aside from practice, practice, practice, are there any techniques one can employ to achieve fine, thin lines?

I use the Speedball set, but also have a Staedtler 1V and a miniaturized one. I've got some pink stuff and some OZ. I just finished up my first OZ stamp, and while I don't normally dislike the heavy lines, I say I currently have a primitive style, heh, this was a bit more detailed and I feel like I lost a lot of that detail.

I can put a picture of the stamp up and link it, if that would help, along with a nice spoiler warning, since this one is meant for a park down here.
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #801946 by DM Scuba Brat
Sep 2, 2013 8:20am
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Yes, lots of practice but what transfer method do you use? I find that a good transfer encourages me to achieve those fine lines. I use Speedball and for me, it's all in controlling the depth. Also, do you use a magnifier? I like your sig stamp:-)
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #801946 by DM Scuba Brat
Sep 2, 2013 8:22am
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If you don't want that Staedtler 1V, I got first dibs on it.

No, really the Staedtler is your best friend. I only use gouges and just can't get comfortable with a knife. Maybe I need a tutor.

Yeah, practice, practice, practice.

AB
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #801946 by DM Scuba Brat
Sep 2, 2013 8:27am
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If you don't have some sort of magnifier, get one. It really makes a difference.
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #801952 by Lovebirds-NC
Sep 2, 2013 9:01am
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Yes, lots of practice but what transfer method do you use? I find that a good transfer encourages me to achieve those fine lines. I use Speedball and for me, it's all in controlling the depth. Also, do you use a magnifier? I like your sig stamp:-)

I trace my images with a soft leaded pencil or charcoal pencil, then rub them onto the carving surface. Thank you. My sig stamp is store bought (oh, the horrors!) but I got it well before I even considered carving. I like it a lot. :)

If you don't want that Staedtler 1V, I got first dibs on it.

MINE. :)

I'm not even quite sure what people mean by knife carving. So I guess that makes me a gouge carver. I'm not against learning, though.

If you don't have some sort of magnifier, get one. It really makes a difference

A sewing light and magnifier might be a good idea. I never really thought of that, even though I use a headlamp for light when I carve.
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #801968 by DM Scuba Brat
Sep 2, 2013 9:09am
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On OZ cut, you can carve really really shallow, and the details will still show up. Just for practice, try transferring something using acetone, or heat from a print out. It took me several tries on OZ before I liked it, but once I learned to carve really shallow I loved it. Also Versafine ink gives nice detail for me. I'm using up some crumbly pink stuff today, and I can't get nearly the detail of OZ. If you try to carve too deep on OZ, your lines will end up very straight, and lose fluidity, or curves.
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #801968 by DM Scuba Brat
Sep 2, 2013 9:09am
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If you're still tracing to transfer, you'll never get to the real detailed carving. You need a way to get the ink of the printed image directly on the rubber. You'll get several suggestions, from printing on parchment paper, to acetone or ironing.

K
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #801970 by Kelsung
Sep 2, 2013 9:19am
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If you're still tracing to transfer, you'll never get to the real detailed carving

exactly true. I always say your carve can only be as good as your transfer. Hang on a second, think I bookmarked an iron /acetone friendly printer friendly list

http://www.atlasquest.com/about/wiki/browse.html?gCatId=33#q270
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #801946 by DM Scuba Brat
Sep 2, 2013 9:21am
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I found using a lighted magnifying glass has helped me with getting thinner lines..
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #801976 by turkey feathers
Sep 2, 2013 9:29am
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I think it depends on the style of carves. Mine are pretty detailed, and they are mostly pencil transferred images of my own drawings...... BUT, I just use the pencil marks as a guide. But if I need to make exact lines, then yes, I draw in ink, upload and print and transfer. On the occasion that I do use a computer image, then yes, I use acetone.

Pencil transfer, no it is not an exact replicate of me, but pretty detailed.

http://www.atlasquest.com/gallery/viewphoto.html?gPhotoId=120362
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #801970 by Kelsung
Sep 2, 2013 9:38am
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If you're still tracing to transfer, you'll never get to the real detailed carving.

I agree with you. But I think there are people who are artistic and are adept at improvising, whereas I am a needs-to-cut-along-the-dotted-lines kind of person. More skill than artistry. Jealous of those types.
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #801968 by DM Scuba Brat
Sep 2, 2013 9:41am
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Here is a thread about the transfer method (Erasable Bond paper) I use. Before that though, I did pencil transfers with a very fine lead mechanical pencil and also got great results. Go get a magnifier! I got mine at Michaels with a coupon and it was very reasonable. Our first sig stamp was store bought too and we still use it sometimes. Yours looks hand carved!
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #801970 by Kelsung
Sep 2, 2013 11:15am
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If you're still tracing to transfer, you'll never get to the real detailed carving.

Crap. That must be my problem!! I can't seem to give up the improvising!
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #802003 by The Wolf Family
Sep 2, 2013 11:51am
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This thread relates to something I need advice on. I recently started carving using pink stuff and Speedball gouges. My challenge seems to be getting the lines deep enough the first time so that I don't have to go back over them because when I go back over them they get raggedy. It doesn't seem to matter if I'm doing letters or details, a second pass turns it into a mess. I actually prefer using the #2 for carving because it seems to respond more smoothly for me but I'm concerned I'll gouge too deeply/widely which is why I feel I need to make a second pass.

For the second pass I've tried both the #2 and the #1 but have the same icky results. I really think I can't follow the same line twice! I hope this makes sense and FWIW I am not someone who normally does much drawing though I do other visual arts such as paper folding so feel that my dexterity is adequate but visual/spatial skills may not be as well developed. I do wear reading glasses. I have not tried additional magnification. Do I just need more practice?

Thanks for listening
CTEE
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #802017 by CTEagleEye
Sep 2, 2013 12:11pm
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Here are some great carving tips from nosox that I had bookmarked. The first one is so true - make your first cut your best cut!
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #802017 by CTEagleEye
Sep 2, 2013 12:12pm
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I think this is a material defect of the pink stuff. I only noticed this problem after the formula was changed and shortly thereafter other folks on the boards starting complaining about it. Up until that time, my only experience had been with pink, so it really was obvious. The OZ takes more physical effort, but will hold your lines better, at least in my experience.
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #802025 by Wry Me
Sep 2, 2013 12:35pm
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The OZ takes more physical effort, but will hold your lines better, at least in my experience.

I agree with this - the pink, even the good pink, is too soft to go back over a thin edge. OZ is just enough firmer that I can shave really tiny edges from an already carved area. Of course, this assumes your gouges are nice and sharp!!
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #802027 by Wise Wanderer
Sep 2, 2013 12:54pm
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Of course, this assumes your gouges are nice and sharp!!

I agree with you but mine haven't gotten enough use yet to be dulled...LOL

CTEE
Re: Thin lines?
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Reply to: #802030 by CTEagleEye
Sep 2, 2013 2:20pm
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Oz is definitely easier to go back and change lines. I do it constantly. And I agree with you, on the pink, it is hard. Sometimes I have to use a craft knife or the edge of my biggest gouge, to shave already carved lines. I use OZ for the carves I really care about these details on. It is especially wonderful for lettering.