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Msg: 969751
Subject: Re: Replace, two-in-one, or new box?
Author: Oberon_KenobiProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 29, 2018 4:01 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969746 by AdventurousAcorn
I think that you should make a new box with the new carve. Make it a new box in the same series, and at least a few hundred feet along the trail. Let people know that it is a recarve so that you can show the progress that you made in carving.

The next question would be, do you make a new logbook for this new box in the series? Some people would say to do so, and others don't like a logbook per box. With two boxes in the series, I would say a logbook per box, especially since it is new.

I have a series of 12 boxes, each with their own logbook. I placed them one at a time, and I used to have 3 - 4 boxes out at a time. Now, all 12 are out. Two of them went missing (and have been replaced with new carves) so they have new logbooks. The advantage to this is that I have (in other logbooks) the personal stamps from those who stamped the missing logbooks.

And before you think that these 12 boxes are too close, if you find them by following the clues in order you will walk 1.2 miles. It is a level trail, 0.6 miles out and the same back.
Msg: 969752
DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie Subject: Re: Replace, two-in-one, or new box?
Author: DarkZen and Evil Cow PieProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 29, 2018 4:12 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969750 by Weeping Willow 52
... perhaps add it as a series with the first and title it something like " take 2" or "second time around"

I like this idea! Other suggestions:
Son of _______
Revenge of ________
_______ part Deux
_______ 2
Here we go again: ________

Have fun with it!
😄
Msg: 969754
Subject: Re: Replace, two-in-one, or new box?
Author: PiggyJauntProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 29, 2018 5:36 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969746 by AdventurousAcorn
If you have a bunch of new boxers/finds, make it a bonus. But if the local boxers have found the old one, make it a part two. I like the suggestions on this thread for funny names.
Msg: 969755
dingus dufus Subject: Re: Replace, two-in-one, or new box?
Author: dingus dufusProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 29, 2018 6:20 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969751 by Oberon_Kenobi
I understand how it happened, but a logbook every .1 mile on average by the same planter? You're ears would be ringing . . . . .
Msg: 969756
Subject: Re: Replace, two-in-one, or new box?
Author: Oberon_KenobiProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 29, 2018 7:28 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969755 by dingus dufus
[...] but a logbook every .1 mile on average by the same planter?

It made much more sense when I had a rolling 3 - 4 boxes out at the same time. Most of those who have found them are locals from this era.

I would do it differently if I were planning a new series with 12 boxes in it. Nevertheless, that is the way that I've done it and I decided that when I replace a box I'll also put a logbook in that new box too. I've only had to replace two boxes so far, and they have been out since the first one on January 2, 2012.
Msg: 969763
Sagacorn Subject: Re: Replace, two-in-one, or new box?
Author: SagacornProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 30, 2018 6:21 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969756 by Oberon_Kenobi
Bonus' are the best!!!!!! A thrill in the woods, so to speak.
Msg: 969767
Quarry Subject: Re: Replace, two-in-one, or new box?
Author: QuarryProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 30, 2018 7:32 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969763 by Sagacorn
I might have three logbook in a three box series, the trail is maybe 1.5 or 2 miles. because I like making diffrent kinds of books alot, but also because each stamp uses diffrent color ink(s) one involves colored penciles... should I go pull a couple of the logbooks or will folks forgive my enthusiasm this one time if I am more careful in the future? No one has gotten to the boxes yet so it would be easy to fix.
Msg: 969769
Sheba Subject: Re: Replace, two-in-one, or new box?
Author: ShebaProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 30, 2018 7:48 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969767 by Quarry
There is nothing wrong with having a logbook in each box. Even on a short trail.
Msg: 969779
PI Joe Subject: Re: Replace, two-in-one, or new box?
Author: PI JoeProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 30, 2018 1:44 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969767 by Quarry
each stamp uses diffrent color ink(s) one involves colored penciles

The logbook isn't for your stamps, it is for our stamps! I prefer one logbook in the last box of a series. Anything after the box with the logbook should be a bonus. Just my thoughts.
Msg: 969782
Subject: Re: Replace, two-in-one, or new box?
Author: Oberon_KenobiProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 30, 2018 3:49 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969779 by PI Joe
Anything after the box with the logbook should be a bonus. Just my thoughts.

I've got a series planned that will use the stamps I used to make an LTC alphabet series. I asked a local letterboxer what I should do; make one long series of 26 stamps, or break them up into multiple series with 4-6 stamps each? The response was to make the multiple series.

When I do this I'm certainly not going to always put the logbook in the final box of each series. Just my opinion, but I kind of want it to be a surprise. It will also be a surprise if I decide to put a clue to a bonus box in any box in each series.

Isn't it fun to play this game how each of us wants to do?
Msg: 969821
Cross Family Subject: Re: Replace, two-in-one, or new box?
Author: Cross FamilyProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 31, 2018 2:23 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969746 by AdventurousAcorn
A Bonus Box is a Excellent idea,with a A New Log Book!
Msg: 969822
Rocklun Subject: Re: Replace, two-in-one, or new box?
Author: RocklunProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 31, 2018 2:27 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969779 by PI Joe
Anything after the box with the logbook should be a bonus. Just my thoughts.

I usually have the box with the logbook be the final box, but not always. Sometimes I find a spot that I think might be better (e.g. a larger hiding spot, if I'm using a bigger box) earlier on in the series, so I'll plant it there.

I only use one logbook when I plant a series. And I almost always use black ink for the stamps in my boxes, unlike a certain pair of planters who I'll call "Team WetDirtMug" to hide their identities.
Msg: 970071
Subject: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: Admiral NelsonProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 5, 2019 6:08 PM
M-3
How do I handle letter box clues that include jumping rails or leaving board walks in sensitive or dangerous areas. The clues are obviously inappropriate. And I live here and know they are.
Msg: 970072
Wronghat Subject: Re: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: WronghatProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 5, 2019 6:36 PM
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Reply to: Msg 970071 by Admiral Nelson
I have left comments on the find report to warn others of dangerous situations. Sometimes the planter isn't aware or the dangerous situation develops after the box was planted. Other people have warned those searching for my boxes of poison ivy encroachment, spiders and snakes, and slippery patches.
Msg: 970073
Subject: Re: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: THE RED CYCLONEProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 5, 2019 6:56 PM
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Reply to: Msg 970071 by Admiral Nelson
((How do I handle letter box clues that include jumping rails or leaving board walks in sensitive or dangerous areas.))

Don't look for them. That was easy.😛
Msg: 970080
KatieKat Subject: Re: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: KatieKatProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 5, 2019 10:29 PM
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Reply to: Msg 970073 by THE RED CYCLONE
You might/should contact the planter privately to express your concerns. Be specific.
You want to win over, so be tactful.
Msg: 970085
Rocklun Subject: Re: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: RocklunProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 6, 2019 5:35 AM
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Reply to: Msg 970071 by Admiral Nelson
boxes in inappropriate places

Phew!! I read the subject line and thought that this was going to be a very different type of post! 😱
Msg: 970087
DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie Subject: Re: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: DarkZen and Evil Cow PieProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 6, 2019 6:29 AM
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Reply to: Msg 970071 by Admiral Nelson
While I mostly agree with KatieKat, I’ll add that if someone asks me to something that’s just dangerous (and not actually breaking the rules) I’m ok with that. I’ll weigh the risk and get it or not, depending.

However, if a box is placed in an ecologically sensitive area I think a stronger response is needed.
Msg: 970089
Turd Ferguson Subject: Re: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: Turd FergusonProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 6, 2019 6:38 AM
M-10
Reply to: Msg 970085 by Rocklun
boxes in inappropriate places

Phew!! I read the subject line and thought that this was going to be a very different type of post! 😱

Personal personal traveler?
Msg: 970091
Subject: Re: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: ALFProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 6, 2019 8:12 AM
M-7
Reply to: Msg 970089 by Turd Ferguson
“Personal personal traveler?”

It might a bit tricky to ‘log’ that one!
Msg: 970093
The Merry Pranksters Subject: Re: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: The Merry PrankstersProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 6, 2019 8:45 AM
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Reply to: Msg 970091 by ALF
“Personal personal traveler?”

It might a bit tricky to ‘log’ that one!

Use stealth when retrieving,
Be careful when inking,
..... and be sure to rehide EXACTLY where found!!! ;oO

Pete
Msg: 970108
Subject: Re: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: Oberon_KenobiProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 6, 2019 5:04 PM
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Reply to: Msg 970087 by DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie
I’ll add that if someone asks me to something that’s just dangerous (and not actually breaking the rules) I’m ok with that. I’ll weigh the risk and get it or not, depending.

"Boxes in High Places"
with no apologies to Garth Brooks

I'm all in cahoots, with my friends in the boots,
And we ruined your oath to not swear.
You're the last one to know, the last one to show,
You're the last one we thought to see there.

And I saw the surprise and the fear in your eyes,
When you saw where we'd hidden that box.
You said, "It may be wrong
But I'm not one that you are gonna out fox."

'Cause I've put stamps in high places, where the boxers climb
For hanging cases. And they all pray that they'll be okay
I'm not big on safe spaces, and you'll have to climb without staircases
Oh, I put stamps in high places

Well, I guess I was wrong, thought you wouldn't belong
But then, you started to climb
If you think it's all right, I'll keep you in sight
And that's when you started to shine

Hey, I didn't mean to cause you to scream
When you found that place with the slime
But you continued up higher, and found some briers
And that's when you swore in rhyme

'Cause I've put stamps in high places, where the boxers climb
For hanging cases. And they all pray that they'll be okay
I'm not big on safe spaces, and you'll have to climb without staircases
Oh, I've placed stamps in high places

Well, you finished the climb, "I've got it," you chime
Then you get your stamp in your hand
You got out your ink, and without even a blink
You left your mark as you planned

And then just because, without even a pause
A hitchhiker you left there
Then on your descent, your clothes you did rent
Then again you started to swear

I'm gonna put stamps in high places, where the boxers climb
For hanging cases. And they all pray that they'll be okay
I'm not big on safe spaces, and you'll have to climb without staircases
Oh, I've placed stamps in high places

(10:04 pm changed "boxes" to "stamps" in first line of chorus.)
(7 Jan same change in last line of chorus)
Msg: 970112
Subject: Re: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: puckerProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 6, 2019 6:29 PM
M-8
Reply to: Msg 970071 by Admiral Nelson
There's always the letterboxing police!
Msg: 970113
Wry Me Subject: Re: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: Wry MeProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 6, 2019 6:31 PM
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Reply to: Msg 970108 by Oberon_Kenobi
a much-improved version of the song, to my mind. Hilarious.
Msg: 970115
DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie Subject: Re: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: DarkZen and Evil Cow PieProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 6, 2019 6:58 PM
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Reply to: Msg 970108 by Oberon_Kenobi
"Boxes in High Places"
with no apologies to Garth Brooks

Brilliant, son, brilliant!
Bravo

BTW, speaking of high places... ECP won't let me do things like this anymore, but it was fun while it lasted! It even sparked an outrage thread. Ha ha

Of course dear friends, that was before I discovered the wonders of letterboxing.
;~)
Msg: 970117
Dawnkey Subject: Re: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: DawnkeyProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 6, 2019 7:37 PM
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Reply to: Msg 970115 by DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie
ECP won't let me do things like this anymore, but it was fun while it lasted! It even sparked an outrage thread.

I just saw the movie Free Solo. I have a whole new perspective on danger.
Msg: 970118
Subject: Re: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: Oberon_KenobiProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 6, 2019 7:54 PM
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Reply to: Msg 970115 by DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie
BTW, speaking of high places...

I have placed four geocaches that require climbing up trees. They have all been archived by me for various reasons.

My most difficult ones are Cliff Notes where you have to carry a ladder ½ mile. The other one is a letterbox, but requires a boat, once you solve the puzzle.

I would plant more that require a boat and/or climbing a tree, but there aren't enough letterboxers around here to appreciate the challenge. I'll just continue to torture challenge the geocachers around here then.
Msg: 970120
Subject: Re: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: BetsyLeeProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 7, 2019 6:41 AM
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Reply to: Msg 970108 by Oberon_Kenobi
As an aside, is the first part of your trail name in honor of the great epic poem "Oberon" by Christoph Martin Wieland? To me, it would be fitting because I think you write some pretty fine poetry, Mr. Kenobi. :^)
Msg: 970126
Subject: Re: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: Oberon_KenobiProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 7, 2019 2:25 PM
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Reply to: Msg 970120 by BetsyLee
No, my trail name is one suggested to me in college when we played a real-time space battle game (predecessor to NetTrek) because it sound like "Obi-wan Kenobi". I do like where you went with that idea though.
Msg: 970128
Subject: Re: boxes in inappropriate places
Author: ConnfederateProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 7, 2019 4:28 PM
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Reply to: Msg 970108 by Oberon_Kenobi
Whelp, we now have a letterboxing anthem, courtesy of Oberon_Kenobi. Well played... :golf-clap:
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