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Msg: 969291
Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: Angel WinksProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 11, 2018 5:56 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969289 by BaliWho
I like the notes features also for PTs. Another thing I use them for is to copy and paste LbNA clues. Lastly, I use it if I read over comments on the letterbox and there is something important to note that someone mentioned. Another great feature!

I have never used the trip planner. I need to try that.
Msg: 969296
BBStacker Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: BBStackerProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 12, 2018 5:18 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969289 by BaliWho
One of my other favorite things is the trip planner.

Mine too. Although I have to admit it has some complexity to it (my small brain???). I travel a lot and am always looking for boxes 1 mile at the most off my route. Trip Planner along with custom addresses helps me find them. In conjunction I use tags. As a premium member I'm given eight of them which I've edited to fit my needs.
The green apple is "Good to go" - the box should be there
The red box is "Warning - Do not Attempt" - the box is most likely missing
Plus I have others for Long hike, Might be missing, Not this trip, Needs more research and Out of area.
I like the idea that I can edit those tags.
And with those tags I can edit my search to only include those that are Good to Go limiting the amount of paper I need to print.
I've wondered if there is a way to use tags on Clue Tracker.
Msg: 969303
Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: MichKathyProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 12, 2018 9:11 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969296 by BBStacker
I've wondered if there is a way to use tags on Clue Tracker.

Yes, you can search for things like tag:red or tag:red,blue if you want boxes with your red AND blue tags. See the near bottom of https://cluetracker.pearlcrescent.com/ios/faq for more info.
Msg: 969312
Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: Angel WinksProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 12, 2018 11:44 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969296 by BBStacker
I experimented with tags early on, but you've inspired me to use them again.

You've given lots of good ideas, BBStacker; I especially like the "puzzle needs to be solved yet."

I'm curious what others use tags for.
Msg: 969313
Janila Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: JanilaProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 12, 2018 1:06 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969291 by Angel Winks
I use it if I read over comments on the letterbox and there is something important to note that someone mentioned.

I do that also!

I will also put the link to any trail maps or significant websites that I find while doing research for the custom addresses. This can save time when I am actually prepping to go find the boxes later.

And, since many of my own planted boxes are ciphers, I put the actual uncoded clue in the notes so I don't have to go back and solve my own clue to answer questions.
Msg: 969321
Dawnkey Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: DawnkeyProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 12, 2018 6:34 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969312 by Angel Winks
I'm curious what others use tags for.

I use tags all the time. The ones I currently have are:

  • Mystery/need info - means I have to do some sort of homework before finding
  • Scared to get it - at least I'd be scared to look for it by myself.
  • Tried box - for boxes that I made some sort of effort to find without qualifying as an "attempt." I may have run out of time or the clues were vague at the end. It's interesting to see if people find it after my "try." I generally write a note about when I looked and why it didn't pan out.
  • Fun day - for boxes I'm planning to find on a particular outing
  • Want box - general boxes that look interesting to find
  • MI Counties - boxes that look like they'd be good candidates for my continuing quest to find a box in every Michigan county
  • Last finder - after I find a box I give it this tag. Then I have a saved search I run that lists boxes with this tag in reverse chronological order of when they were last found. Generally when a box pops to the top of the list it means that someone found it after me and I can say, "Oh look, Angel Winks found that fun box in the library in Kalamazoo too!" (Of course 9 times out of 10 Angel Winks has already found the box before me.)

That leaves one tag. It was most recently pulled into duty for "Virginia Trip." Self-explanatory. Now it's generic again waiting for a new assignment.
Msg: 969323
Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: Angel WinksProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 12, 2018 7:29 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969321 by Dawnkey
Wow. That really gives me food for thought. I like the Last Finder tag. I had never thought of that.
Msg: 969324
Rocket Raider Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: Rocket RaiderProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 12, 2018 7:37 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969312 by Angel Winks
I use tags a lot for trip planning. I use the trip planner and city searches to see what boxes are in the area I will be passing through and staying in, and then I start to tag the boxes that I think I most want to search for. It helps organize the mass of boxes that might come up with any given search and helps me keep track of an oddball box that I notice but that doesn't fit the main search parameters.

So I'll have green for the route to my destination. Green plus red for boxes around my destination. Purple for short day trips. So when I'm on the trip I'm just choosing from boxes I've already checked out and thought would be good.

I also have orange for boxes I'd like to find in one nearby city and blue color for another city. When I get ready to spend a day in either city, I'll add a second color.

Then doing an advanced search it's easy to make a list of just the boxes I want to look for. I usually map just those boxes, and it's easy to print all the clues from that list. I'll run the list again afterward to record them. It helps me find what I want quickly.
Msg: 969325
Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: BaliWhoProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 12, 2018 7:52 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969312 by Angel Winks
I'm curious what others use tags for.

I used to use them a lot when I was doing LTCs a lot. I don't remember what they were.

But, I love all the ideas listed above! Thanks for starting this thread! Great ideas here already!
Msg: 969335
paper trail Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: paper trailProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 13, 2018 6:06 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969325 by BaliWho
I use tags for:
Caution - go for it if plenty of time (while traveling), but likely not there
Stop - multiple attempts, likely not worth time adding another
Go for it - used especially if I've attempted it in the past, and someone else has logged a find
Printed - to avoid duplications
Trip Planning - used in advance trip planning to an area I don't regularly get to for flagging 'boxes to find
Solved - to note that I've figured out the mystery, puzzle or clue
Dad's Letterboxes - my Dad'll go out 'boxing with me occasionally, and doesn't log his finds on AQ, so I track them with a tag
Box Type Changed - Ryan occasionally changes the type of listing of 'boxes, and I tag those 'boxes
Msg: 969336
Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: MaudeProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 13, 2018 6:25 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969312 by Angel Winks
I'm curious what others use tags for.

I use one color for each state I travel regularly, and tag new boxes as they pop up on the new letterboxes widget.
One additional color is labeled Mapped, meaning I have located the parking spot on a map and placed a pin there. I sometimes do that when I first read the clue, and sometimes it's in an area I won't be visiting for a while, so I don't map it until I'm sure I am going there.
One final color is labeled Clue Collected, meaning I have the clue in a document ready to print. For travel clues, I copy/paste the clue portion into a document, then trim out things I don't need on the trail - the backstory, driving directions to the park, etc. If you've seen my clue sheets, you know roughly 5 or 6 clues will fit on a single sheet of paper (landscape / two columns / skinny margins).
So as I get ready to travel, I search for the color tags that represent the states I need, then read clues more carefully and select those I want - tag them with the map color if they already aren't, and then finally, prepare the clue sheets and add the Clue tag so I can work on it over several days and figure out what's done and what isn't.
edit: The map pins are transferred to my GPS before the trip so the driving instructions in clues are unnecessary.

I found it's important to remove the tags as I log finds or else I have way too many tagged clues.

You all know how to change the labels on your clues, right? That's a Wonderful perk!
Msg: 969337
Rebiccola Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: RebiccolaProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 13, 2018 6:51 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969312 by Angel Winks
After making the mistake of not looking for one of Safari Man's boxes when I had the chance, I use a tag for all of his boxes. That way, when I have a pile of clues printed for a trip, I can easily see if any of his boxes are among them and make those higher priority.
Msg: 969355
Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: BaliWhoProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 13, 2018 1:33 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969336 by Maude
You all know how to change the labels on your clues, right? That's a Wonderful perk!

Ears perked! Now, you gotta tell us! maybe we don't know? Labels? Is that different than tags? I'm intrigued.

I need to do what you do with copying/pasting the clues to a word doc. Sometimes it kills three trees to print a clue page and all you need is a 1/4 sheet!
Msg: 969365
Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: MaudeProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 13, 2018 4:13 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969355 by BaliWho
Atlas Quest: International Letterboxing
a quarter sheet? Only if it's just one or two easy clues. But yes, try it. The other advantage is that I have to actually read the clues while I'm still at home, and that has saved me from a few disappointments.

The labels are the words next to the tag's stars. You can change the labels (words) by clicking the ubiquitous little yellow pencil at the bottom of the tag's box, then type what you want - and Save.
Msg: 969381
Janila Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: JanilaProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 14, 2018 3:07 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969181 by Angel Winks
I am absolutely loving this thread, hope it lives for a long time!

OK, this is probably something that many people have used but I just discovered it yesterday. Based on many of the suggestions about what people use tags for, I finally revised the system that I had started many years ago when I didn't really know what would be their best use. When I moved all my tags around (thanks to finally noticing the add tag/remove tag boxes at the bottom of the search pages), I created searches for each of them so I didn't have to create a search each time I wanted to work with them. I have always had my personal searches widgit on My Page but, silly me, I never noticed that I could rearrange their order until yesterday. For anyone who might have been as clueless as me, this is done under the Letterboxes tab/My Searches and then in the upper left corner it actually says "sort searches". How could I have missed that all of these years! Now My Page shows my Pennsylvania searches first and the other states in their order of importance to me below. How could something so simple make me so happy!
Msg: 969382
Dawnkey Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: DawnkeyProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 14, 2018 4:09 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969381 by Janila
Don’t you just love how customizable AQ is?
Msg: 969409
Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: Angel WinksProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 15, 2018 3:51 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969321 by Dawnkey
Okay. So help is needed. I want to change the labels on my tags. How do I do that?
Msg: 969410
Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: Angel WinksProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 15, 2018 4:05 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969409 by Angel Winks
Hah! I just figured it out. Now I need to decide which tags to use. So fun. Thanks for all the ideas.
Msg: 969435
Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: Angel WinksProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 16, 2018 5:13 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969181 by Angel Winks
Heading down a different avenue in this conversation...

Does anyone else participate in the Great Lakes Bingo game? Atomicbeans from Illinois is hosting it and the information just came out. I've participated for several years and I even won twice in one year! But the fun is playing this long, drawn-out Bingo game throughout the long, drawn-out winter months.

If you haven't played before and want to, the information is on Yahoo Letterbox Great Lakes.

So, who's playing?
Msg: 969438
Janila Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: JanilaProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 16, 2018 7:08 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969435 by Angel Winks
Does anyone else participate in the Great Lakes Bingo game?

Every year when it comes out, I get excited, I look at the rules and decide that it is just too complicated to try to figure it out. I looked again yesterday and decided the same thing again this year.
Msg: 969439
Dawnkey Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: DawnkeyProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 16, 2018 7:30 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969438 by Janila
I look at the rules and decide that it is just too complicated to try to figure it out.

Oh, that's too bad. Would it help if we explain what you find complicated? I've been playing for several years and think it's a lot of fun. Adam did a superlative job last year organizing and running the game. Most of his daily word calls involved poetry. :)
Msg: 969444
LaLaBirds Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: LaLaBirdsProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 16, 2018 10:06 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969435 by Angel Winks
I’ve played the last 3 years (since I started letterboxing), and it gives me something to look forward to each morning during this long, winter season. Win, or not, it’s really great fun! Huge thanks to all the folks who host this game!
Msg: 969783
Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: Angel WinksProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 30, 2018 5:04 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969181 by Angel Winks
I just learned something new today about ranking letterboxes (from a fellow letterboxer in another state). Here is what she shared:

"You do know, don't you, that unless you give some 4s and a lot of 3s, and a smattering of 2s, and even an occasional 1, your rankings are not considered when AQ presents Blue Diamonds. You must have the "credentials" of reasonableness. I think you need to be an average judge."

So, I'm curious. How do you all decide what deserves a 5, 4, 3, 2, and a 1? Or do you avoid ranking altogether?
Msg: 969784
photopam Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: photopamProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 30, 2018 5:46 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969783 by Angel Winks
So, I'm curious. How do you all decide what deserves a 5, 4, 3, 2, and a 1? Or do you avoid ranking altogether?

For me, if it's an average box, with average clues in an average place, it's a three. Wow me with a hike, location, view, clever clues, put some creativity/effort into it, 4-5.
If its a box thrown in the woods or behind a dumpster to get your P-count up, 1-2.

I rarely (if ever) give 1-2.
Msg: 969796
BBStacker Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: BBStackerProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 31, 2018 4:43 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969783 by Angel Winks
Store bought stamp =1
Store bought stamp in a really great place or with a hand made logbook = 2
Hand carved stamp obviously just thrown together and "dumped" for a plant = 2
Hand carved stamp in average hide = 3
Hand carved stamp in average hide with hand made logbook = 4
Fabulous hand carved stamp and fabulous logbook in fabulous place = 5
This is my guideline but I think through each find to come up with my score for a box.
I do most 3's some 4's and a few 5's
Msg: 969798
Bon Echo Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: Bon EchoProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 31, 2018 6:36 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969783 by Angel Winks
You can view your Rating Statistics:
https://www.atlasquest.com/boxes/traditional/ratingstats.php

By giving some boxes a 1 or a 2, your not saying those are bad letterboxes. It's not a thumbs down. Just in terms of awesomeness, was it really awesome, great, good, fair, or just okay? I've found some that were just okay [honestly, I've found some that were actually somewhat disappointing. There, I said it.]
Msg: 969819
Dawnkey Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: DawnkeyProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 31, 2018 1:04 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969783 by Angel Winks
How do you all decide what deserves a 5, 4, 3, 2, and a 1?

This is an interesting question, and there are probably almost as many answers as there are letterboxers. When this was discussed on the boards several years ago, I remember one person saying something along the lines of she awarded 0 points or 1 point in each of 5 categories, something like hand-carved stamp, handmade logbook, good container, good clues, and interesting hike. She then tallied the points to arrive at her rating. My thought was, "wow, I don't do it like that at all."

My ratings are more subjective. I definitely will rate higher for hand-carved than store-bought, and I can't imagine ever giving a 5 to a store-bought stamp. But if the store-bought stamp has clever clues and at least ties in to the surroundings I'll rate it higher than I would otherwise. I'll also rank boxes that involve an experience higher than a drive-by. Again, I rarely will give a drive-by a 5 even if it's an amazing carve.

I see that currently my average rating is 3.16, with a distribution of 7% 5s, 24% 4s, 47% 3s, 21% 2s, and 1% 1s. I'll give a 3 to an average box. For a 4, the box has to have something special--a really good carve or creative clues or something. Fives are the remarkable boxes that bring everything together, the ones I'll always remember. A two would be a subpar box--not much effort went into it. Ones are rare, but I might give a one if I thought the box was placed where you might hurt yourself retrieving it (e.g. a lumber pile with exposed nails), or if it was just disappointing all the way around, like a random store-bought stamp placed behind a dumpster.
Msg: 969832
Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: Angel WinksProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 31, 2018 5:33 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969181 by Angel Winks
Happy New Year, Michigan and followers of the Michigan Board!

I just put 3 grandchildren to bed after a night of playing and it's going to be an early night for me. No watching the ball drop at midnight.

However, I wanted to pass on what I've been reading about on the Letterbox Chatter board. I have to say that I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE if there were more letterboxes planted in Michigan! So who is up for the challenge of getting 10 boxes planted by April 30? Of course, you could be an overachiever and try for 50...

Anyway, I thought I'd throw it out there.

Angel Winks
*who loves letterboxing in Michigan

"Nov 17, 2018: Power Plant Challenge
Calling all letterboxers: It's time to plant more boxes!

On the looooong ride back from L&B, fellow boxers and I were discussing the future of letterboxing in North Carolina and decided:
1. We want to be able to find more letterboxes in NC
and
2. Newer letterboxers would be attracted to letterboxing if they don't strike out on their first few searches due to older MIA boxes

Therefore - we have created a Power Plant challenge! We challenge all letterboxers to plant 10 traditional boxes in the next six months. Imagine - if even 10 boxers accepted the challenge - that would be 100 new boxes. If 40 boxers did it, 400 new boxes in the state for everyone to enjoy! Even if planting is not your favorite part of letterboxing - the only way to get new boxes (and boxers) is to plant - so let's all plant together!

~ Of course, there are prizes ~
Participants who plant at least ten traditional permanent plants between Nov. 1 and April 30 will receive a Power Planter Patch.
Participants who plant at least 50 traditional permanent plants between Nov. 1 and April 30 will receive a Power Planter Path tag.
There will be special recognition and a grand prize (TBD) for the participant who plants the most traditional permanent plants during this six month period.

~ Quality is important ~
While this is a planting challenge, it's important to still think through your permanent plant - don't just toss boxes out and hope for the best. Plant boxes in locations you would be able to check on, are safe from muggle meddling, and will hopefully be around for quite a while. Drive by, long hike, easy clue, challenging puzzle - and all shapes and sizes of letterboxes in between - those details are up to you. You could do a series or individual boxes. Since the goal is to increase our permanent plants in the state, these boxes should be permanent, not temporary or just for events.

~ Other details: boxers and boxes everwhere are welcome!
Anyone can participate - even boxers in other states
You can plant anywhere - even other states (letterboxing while traveling is a grand adventure)!

~ OK - you're IN - how to participate:
1. Send me an AQ message to let me know you want to participate! You can contact me at any time during our six month challenge.
2. Plant at least ten boxes (or way more) over the next six months (Nov. 1 through April 30, 2019).
3. We will recognize all participants at the big GeekFest event in Raleigh at the start of May. You do not need to be present to participate (but we know you want to come to this huge event). We will share all the participants who qualify for the patch and pathtag, and announce the grand prize winner. If you are not able to attend GeekFest, we will send you your patch/path tag through snailmail.

Let me know if you have any questions, and plant on, NC! (Super Hedge Hoggie)

Power Plant Challenge brought to you by:
Airstream Dreams
Bluebird
Mouse Nanny
Sudoku Crazy
Super Hedge Hoggie"
Msg: 969866
Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
Author: BaliWhoProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Jan 1, 2019 10:43 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969832 by Angel Winks
I saw this and thought it'd be a great idea! 10 may be a stretch by April, but I'll think about it! I have ideas of boxes to carve, but limited ideas of places to plant! Ack!
Msg: 969975
koalacat Subject: Re: Letterboxing Conversations
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Date: Jan 4, 2019 1:20 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969832 by Angel Winks
I was looking at that when SuperHedgeHoggie posted about it.

I'm tempted, but haven't really had the energy to carve or plant. Haven't planted or carved in well over a year. Heck, I have three or four stamps carved for your area since 2012, since before moving to North Carolina, but haven't ever gotten around to figuring out a place for them.
Although, it looks like Nic wants to go that way for his 40th in a couple of months to show me his individual tour of GR when he lived there in 2015/16. Don't know if there will be any letterboxing on that trip, but a week later will be my 10 year anniversary as a letterboxer.
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