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Msg: 968738
Gremlands Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: GremlandsProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 7:30 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968684 by NandJ
I think there is no question that there are some in letterboxing who are elitists - and elite things are, well, elite. Perhaps Geocaching has a greater following than letterboxing because they aren't elite. No one says you have to find the stamps that aren't handcarved - or look for boxes that don't require you to climb Mount Kilamanjaro - but I do think it would be easier to get people interested in the hobby and the craft if they had an easier entry point.

I suppose where one lives must make a difference. In my area, there are MANY boxes that are good for an easy entry point. Granted, several of those are mine. In fact, all my boxes are either urban or drive-bys. I'm not a hiker (or even much of a walker these days), so I suppose I'm not in the group you consider the "elite". So, I plant boxes that I would like to find, the kind of boxes I found when I first started. If it's an easy find, make it an interesting place to find it. If the place isn't as interesting, make it a challenge to find. If you want to make some easier boxes to try to attract new people, by all means, do so. But I suggest you make something about them intriguing enough to keep people interested in continuing.

GremLandS
Msg: 968740
dingus dufus Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: dingus dufusProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 8:05 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968733 by Rocklun
I've encountered wasps/bees in guardrails on multiple occasions.

About a third of the time there seems to be a nest, old empty one, or a geocache.

Btw, we all randomly check guard rails at interesting locations right?
Msg: 968744
Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: Grrly GirlProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 9:26 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968709 by Oberon_Kenobi
Atlas Quest: International Letterboxing
...neologisms with "scare quotes".

What the heck are "scare quotes"
then I Googled it
The Chicago Manual of Style says: Quotation marks are often used to alert readers that a term is used in a nonstandard (or slang), ironic, or other special sense. Nicknamed scare quotes, they imply, “This is not my term” or “This is not how the term is usually applied.”Jan 28, 2013

Can I go home now? I've learned something new.
Msg: 968745
Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: Grrly GirlProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 9:29 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968713 by Rocklun
I'm generally wary of light poles because where there's a light pole, there might be a camera, where's there's a camera, there might be someone watching who just might wonder what's going on.
Msg: 968750
Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: NandJProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 11:02 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968696 by MissMoon
Just for the sake of the conversation - I have been boxing for close to 20 years. I just didn't come to AQ until this summer. Really, no need to be snarky. It was just a simple thought.
Msg: 968751
fleetwood7 Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: fleetwood7ProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 11:06 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968708 by MissMoon
i think the original post was a off season proxy for one of wassa's april fools jokes and you were all taken in by it
Msg: 968756
dingus dufus Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: dingus dufusProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 1:33 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968750 by NandJ
Below is my initial response
https://www.atlasquest.com/boards/message.php?msgId=968707

Now that you've revealed that you have been boxing for almost 20 years your original post is pure troll or a gag. 30 commercial stamp light post boxes in parking lots? Fess up! There are not many 20-year boxers in circulation!

:)
Msg: 968758
MissMoon Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: MissMoonProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 1:53 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968750 by NandJ
Really, no need to be snarky.

It's not being snarky to express the opinion that I don't feel it's necessary or a good idea to dummy down boxing in order to entice not particularly interested people into doing it. It's not snarky to point out that your impression of all boxes being buried deep in the woods is incorrect. It's not snarky to point out that there are tons of easy boxes for people to find.

And one would wonder why, if you've been boxing for 20 years as you say, you didn't point that out in your original post???? If it's true it would have given a totally different impression of your intent. It would not change my opinion and probably not the opinions of several others *about* the idea of planting the 30 easy boxes to entice people into boxing. But a 20 year boxer offering an idea like that is quite different than a newbie offering it up. Not better, just different.

I find it interesting that after these 20 years you have all of a sudden decided to plant three boxes and ask where to buy stamps. And if you've been around for 20 years you should *know* there are lots of easy boxes and be able to communicate this to potential boxers.

Your response to Kelsung......
Are you depressed because people new to the hobby maybe don't see it the same way you do? - isn't that true of nearly any hobby?

Since you say you haven't been able to entice anyone into boxing it gives the impression that you are new.

Geocaching has a greater following than letterboxing because they aren't elite.

Ok, they have a greater following....so what? And I think that boxing for 20 years.....if it's true ......and not joining AQ and the rest of the messy crowd is a lot more elitist than any of us ever could be.

Like someone just said while I was typing this......troll or gag. Pick one.
Msg: 968763
Wry Me Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: Wry MeProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 2:22 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968679 by NandJ
I’m predicting the much-maligned newbie smackdown, as most of us have had this very lament and postulated to the boards all kinds of ways to improve the hobby. You are in very good company.

This is the first time I’ve seen someone post every, single letterboxers’ pet peeves all in one fool-proof solution -- except maybe suggesting people shout “Rah-rah” while conspicuously and badly rehiding the box with a ten-foot pile of – oh, wait. We’re in the parking lot. Nevermind.

I’ll be as gentle as I can. It’s easy to defend those who prefer/need short hikes over long, don’t particularly care about the artistry of the boxes, (i.e. store-bought stamps and lamp skirts in parking lots), aren’t interested in planting or carving (it’s always been fine to box and not plant a blessed thing – come find my boxes!), cannot tolerate disappointment (box might be missing), and cannot or will not invest any time pursuing hobby, and probably don’t much like walking at all. Any of those are pretty fine, but what you have when you have all of them? Someone who just gave you the, “I can’t go out with you on Saturday because I’m washing my hair.”

Do you really want this? I try to plant something I myself would like to find. Am I supposed to stop handcarving stamps, seeking out suitable/interesting/pretty or at least safe places to plant, start buying stamps and planting places where retrieval is effortless and guaranteed – essentially going backward skill-wise -- to accommodate people who need a simpler form of letterboxing?

We have to further dumb down a hobby that at its basic level is essentially reading while walking? Do YOU want to go letterboxing with those folks? I guess every shampoo bottle has its lid.

I would say that the dearth of letterboxers is perhaps already related to the unlathered mass’ antipathy toward sweat equity. I’d say there’s room for all kinds for sure, but why work so hard swaying the uninterested? Let them lather, rinse, repeat.
Msg: 968766
Wry Me Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: Wry MeProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 3:26 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968740 by dingus dufus
Btw, we all randomly check guard rails at interesting locations right?

Oh, man. That was you? Sorry about the puddle.
Msg: 968767
DarkZen and Evil Cow Pie Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: DarkZen and Evil Cow PieProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 3:37 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968766 by Wry Me
Oh, man. That was you? Sorry about the puddle.

By “puddle”, you mean ‘brown spot’?
Heathen!
Msg: 968774
Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: NandJProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 7:11 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968758 by MissMoon
I hung out at letterboxing.org for a really long time - until I found it got way out of date, and I took about a five year hiatus while my mom was declining due to dementia. I mean, really, I have no reason to lie about that or any of it. I used a different name on letterboxing.org - changed it when I came here because I started hunting with a friend and it seemed appropriate to include him.

It wasn't your disagreement that I thought was snarky - it was the insistence that I am obviously ignorant and ill-informed because I have only used THIS website for 4 months. There is a whole wide world out there - way broader than a single website and the opinions of a handful of people.

You seem super defensive of your right to be cranky. Not sure why. If you want to be cranky, then knock yourself out.
Msg: 968775
Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: Oberon_KenobiProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 7:18 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968738 by Gremlands
If it's an easy find, make it an interesting place to find it. If the place isn't as interesting, make it a challenge to find.

I can do that, but I don't think that the local boxers would appreciate me planting in thorny bushes and trees, up in a tree, or even on a cliff. I've done all of these for geocachers in my area, but I don't think that local letterboxers would appreciate that type of challenge.

I plant for my boxes to be found, but I will try for more challenging locations. Maybe I'll even do some gadget boxes.
Msg: 968776
Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: Oberon_KenobiProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 7:30 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968763 by Wry Me
We have to further dumb down a hobby that at its basic level is essentially reading while walking?

Don't you mean reading ***and*** thinking while walking?
Msg: 968777
Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: Oberon_KenobiProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 7:33 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968774 by NandJ
You seem super defensive of your right to be cranky. Not sure why. If you want to be cranky, then knock yourself out.

There is a lot of that going on here.

Learn to enjoy the snark. It can be entertaining.
Msg: 968778
MissMoon Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: MissMoonProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 7:38 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968777 by Oberon_Kenobi
There is a lot of that going on here.

Learn to enjoy the snark. It can be entertaining.

Yes, you can be.
Msg: 968780
Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: SnarkProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 7:59 PM
M-8
Reply to: Msg 968778 by MissMoon
Learn to enjoy the snark. It can be entertaining.

Yes, you can be.

Who? Me?
Msg: 968787
Wry Me Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: Wry MeProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 26, 2018 9:14 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968776 by Oberon_Kenobi
Don't you mean reading ***and*** thinking while walking?

Too many things! Pop!
Msg: 968798
Green Tortuga Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: Green TortugaProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 27, 2018 6:57 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968787 by Wry Me
I deleted the last six-or-so posts to this board. This thread was getting a little nasty. I'm not moving it to the dead lemurs board--yet--but just a reminder that personal attacks against others are not appropriate. Disagreeing opinions are fine, but keep it civil.

-- Ryan
Msg: 968799
Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: MizscarletProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 27, 2018 7:05 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968798 by Green Tortuga
Atlas Quest: International Letterboxing
I thought the horse was dead, the lemurs were just flung.
Msg: 968807
Dirty Harry Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: Dirty HarryProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 27, 2018 8:43 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968798 by Green Tortuga
Disagreeing opinions are fine, but keep it civil.

Don't make me stop this car!
Msg: 968823
Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: frankie and benjyProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 27, 2018 12:43 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968798 by Green Tortuga
Oh, wow, the dead lemurs board! It's been an awfully long time since anyone got excited enough about anything boxing related to have a thread even considered to be moved there. Ah, the good old days... ;)
Msg: 968824
Warrior Woman Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: Warrior WomanProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 27, 2018 12:45 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968823 by frankie and benjy
I was just reminiscing about RogueOne.

Warrior Woman
remembers
Msg: 968827
Una Marlee Sue Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: Una Marlee SueProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 27, 2018 2:19 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968824 by Warrior Woman
OMG!!!!!! Don't even open up that can or worms again!!!
Msg: 968858
MissMoon Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: MissMoonProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 28, 2018 7:27 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968799 by Mizscarlet
It *had* started down the road to facebutt level discussions. I call that the merry go round stage......round and round and going no place fast.

Although Ryan may soon have to find another animal.

https://psmag.com/environment/what-killed-these-lemurs
Msg: 968862
dingus dufus Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: dingus dufusProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 28, 2018 8:53 AM
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Reply to: Msg 968858 by MissMoon
Although Ryan may soon have to find another animal.

https://psmag.com/environment/what-killed-these-lemurs

Dang, did we do that!?!
Msg: 968867
Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: SnarkProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 28, 2018 12:13 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968862 by dingus dufus
Dang, did we do that!?!

Did I do that?
Msg: 969604
Trailtracker Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: TrailtrackerProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 23, 2018 1:04 PM
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Reply to: Msg 968711 by Mizscarlet
Dear Lord, I wasn't going to jump in but now I am. This has been my montra as some of my closest friends know. Some of my VERY best letterboxing experiences have been where a box was missing or one was where someone carved a simple x In the old PZ-Cut. I just took my granddaughter letterboxing for her very first time. I told her there are no guarantees will will be able to figure out the clues and that the box will even be there but I told her the box and the stamp are only PART of the deal and that any time we can spend time outdoors and exploring new places together, it was a great day! Sure enough, the box was long gone but she assured me the was still great bc she loved the little (unexpected park ) and that we had had fun. My point is that when I tell people about letterboxing, I hope their experience is in trying or exploring something new and they can figure out which aspects they like best. Some can't hike on trails any more, Some only like event boxing, Some like historic boxes or ones in cemeteries and some jump over to LTC rings. There's something for everyone so when explaining to new folks I hope they know there are many options they can try. Going to crawl back under my SPOR. Lol
Msg: 969610
Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: speedsquareProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 23, 2018 3:48 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969604 by Trailtracker
Totally agree, Trailtracker. And when we find enough time, we will be back to Hocking Hills to look for a number of older boxes, unknown and unvisited for a long time. The experience is totally worth it.
Msg: 969726
Weeping Willow 52 Subject: Re: Finding new letterboxers/looking for a bargain
Author: Weeping Willow 52ProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 28, 2018 5:22 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969604 by Trailtracker
Very well stated Trailtracker… you get a lot more out of letter boxing experiences than just the stamps…yes and there is something for everyone!
WW52
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