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Msg: 968675
Moms_Play Subject: Changing the type of box
Author: Moms_PlayProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 24, 2018 10:54 PM
P-36F-287M-65
So for our first event I listed all our boxes as event stamp and didn't realize it doesn't count for your finds.... is there anyway to change without deleting and making everyone re-log their finds? thank you
Msg: 968676
Green Tortuga Subject: Re: Changing the type of box
Author: Green TortugaProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 24, 2018 11:15 PM
P-261F-1876M-21377Premium
Reply to: Msg 968675 by Moms_Play
So for our first event I listed all our boxes as event stamp and didn't realize it doesn't count for your finds....

Well.... yes and no. It doesn't count as finds for traditional boxes--but it does count towards finds of event boxes. AQ keeps track of both!

But the question isn't how do you list boxes to count them as finds--the question to ask is what kind of boxes did you create? Were they hidden out in the woods where people had to follow clues in order to find them? Then they should be listed as traditional boxes.

Or were they laying around for people to just stumble across? Then they should stay as event boxes. Anyone who complains that they don't count as finds--tell them that's because they aren't finds--not finds on a traditional box, at least.

-- Ryan
Msg: 968677
Moms_Play Subject: Re: Changing the type of box
Author: Moms_PlayProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 25, 2018 12:07 AM
P-36F-287M-65
Reply to: Msg 968676 by Green Tortuga
"But the question isn't how do you list boxes to count them as finds--the question to ask is what kind of boxes did you create? Were they hidden out in the woods where people had to follow clues in order to find them? Then they should be listed as traditional boxes.

Or were they laying around for people to just stumble across? Then they should stay as event boxes. Anyone who complains that they don't count as finds--tell them that's because they aren't finds--not finds on a traditional box, at least."

They were a mix of both, some of the ones I made clues for I want to change to traditional and Leave them planted where they are, But at the time I marked them as event so those at the event could find them and I kinda wanted to see how they would do out where they were planted....

Can I change it, Or am I going to have to make new boxes and new Numbers?
Msg: 968678
Green Tortuga Subject: Re: Changing the type of box
Author: Green TortugaProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 25, 2018 7:35 AM
P-261F-1876M-21377Premium
Reply to: Msg 968677 by Moms_Play
Can I change it, Or am I going to have to make new boxes and new Numbers?

Admins can change it, but we need to know which boxes should be changed.

-- Ryan
Msg: 968694
Moms_Play Subject: Re: Changing the type of box
Author: Moms_PlayProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Nov 25, 2018 1:33 PM
P-36F-287M-65
Reply to: Msg 968678 by Green Tortuga
Awesome ty
Msg: 969008
Subject: Re: Changing the type of box
Author: SpartanfansProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 3, 2018 7:03 AM
P-59F-2942M-585Premium
Reply to: Msg 968677 by Moms_Play
The ones that we had to find in the hotel, from the clue packet should be listed as "traditional", for example, the ones on every floor that combined to form 1 stamp, and the ones that were outside.

There was also clue for all the boxes in the hotel lobby etc. so those as well.

But the ones in your room should be considered HIPS or "event boxes"

You put on a great event!! It was extremely creative! I hope you guys keep it up, and next time I can stay instead of only being there for a few hours.
Msg: 969010
airstream dreams Subject: Re: Changing the type of box
Author: airstream dreamsProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 3, 2018 10:12 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969008 by Spartanfans
"But the ones in your room should be considered HIPS or "event boxes""

I thought HIPS and events boxes were different in some cases.

What I thought:

Event boxes are on a table at an event and you go walk up and get it, no searching or clues involved.

Hips are Hidden in Plain Sight, and have clues , altho clues make be vague, but still written clues. So shouldn't they be a traditional count? You had to make the effort to actually search for them.
Msg: 969018
Colorful Caterpillars Subject: Re: Changing the type of box
Author: Colorful CaterpillarsProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 3, 2018 11:54 AM
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Reply to: Msg 969010 by airstream dreams
HIPS boxes don't have clues. They are a type of event box that is on the table but are "hidden in plain sight". For example, my Prehistoric Policeman? is glued to the bottom of a rock. You might miss it if you don't pick it up and look at it. Another example is a stamp hidden in a box of tissues. You might miss that because you might think it's just a box of tissues that someone brought because they had a cold.
Msg: 969019
Una Marlee Sue Subject: Re: Changing the type of box
Author: Una Marlee SueProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 3, 2018 12:15 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969018 by Colorful Caterpillars
I just attended an event Sunday and the HIPS were listed as traditional boxes because we had to solve puzzles in order to access (lock boxes) or find the location of the stamps. These boxes took alittle more effort and strategic thinking to get the image. The event host should have the final decision on how their boxes are listed. If attendees don't agree with that choice they don't need to stamp the image. There needs to be alittle more focus on the fun of attending events and stamping images rather than the "rules and regulations" of how boxes are listed and the "counts".
Msg: 969022
airstream dreams Subject: Re: Changing the type of box
Author: airstream dreamsProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 3, 2018 12:57 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969019 by Una Marlee Sue
I totally agree with you. It should be up to the planter and everyone have fun and be a Happy Camper.
Msg: 969040
Green Tortuga Subject: Re: Changing the type of box
Author: Green TortugaProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 3, 2018 5:24 PM
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Reply to: Msg 969010 by airstream dreams
Hips are Hidden in Plain Sight, and have clues , altho clues make be vague, but still written clues. So shouldn't they be a traditional count? You had to make the effort to actually search for them.

Notice that "HIPS" is an attribute only for event stamps? If it's a HIPS, it's an event box.

The vast majority of them I've seen, if they have clues at all, the clues weren't needed to find the box. And while I have "searched" for them, I wouldn't call it an "effort." It just means I was casually "looking around for suspicious-looking objects." I wasn't following clues, and my strategy for finding them is very much different than a real, traditional letterbox.

I know not everyone agrees with me, but there's another reason I prefer them being listed as event boxes--it makes them easier to find online. They can be attached directly to the event so I can pull up a list of event boxes at the event and, "Oh! There it is!" And record the find.

When it's a traditional, I have more trouble finding the listing because first I'm looking in the wrong place ("why isn't it in the list of event boxes?"), then because I have to do a traditional search and I'm not sure how it was listed. Do I search for the park where the event was held? Is it listed as a "mystery" box?

So all things considered, I'd highly recommend listing HIPS as event boxes. They're meant to be listed as event boxes and I've even gone so far as to not record finds on incorrectly-listed event boxes because I don't want them screwing up my F-counts. I've never heard of anyone refusing to record an event box listing because they think it's really a traditional box and they didn't want the find to mess up their event F-count. =)

I know people don't like rules and regulations, but it does help find listings when people are following from the same playbook.

-- Ryan
Msg: 969051
Subject: Re: Changing the type of box
Author: EidolonProfileContactLogbookNote
Date: Dec 4, 2018 12:16 AM
P-235F-6329M-4673
Reply to: Msg 969040 by Green Tortuga
I've even gone so far as to not record finds on incorrectly-listed event boxes because I don't want them screwing up my F-counts.

I do that too. I have a spreadsheet with "real totals" (which is sorely out of date, I am working on catching that up) which ignore things which didn't involve me needing to figure out a clue of some sort.
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