No, actually it's not. It doesn't give us the width of the fountain or what it looks like.

Correct, it doesn't. Kirbert?

Do the owners know about the box? If they do that's a whole different situation than if they don't.

Good point. Kirbert?

Nice dodge of the rest of my points, BTW. We'll take that as acceptance that I am right.

No, I'm not like a politician.

Is bothering fish the new concern in hide and seek games?

Do you worry about bothering deer? Do you worry about bothering birds? Do you worry about bothering other wildlife?

Here's what I actually wrote about the fish:

Second, the restaurant isn't going to appreciate people bothering their goldfish.

I wrote about the restaurant wrote not appreciating bothering the fish, with the assumption that people would be wading in the fountain. I was assuming a wide fountain (See my post asking for details) which we're still waiting for Kirbert to give details about.

I said nothing about bothering wildlife in general. You assumed some words that weren't there. Do you care to admit this, or can I assume your acceptance as you assumed mine. (See your own words above.) We can discuss bothering wildlife and usage of the outdoors in another thread, but I think that we very much agree on this point (that you made up from the quoted line of mine above). And I object to planting where it is prohibited, including the White House.

One of the reasons in your argument for it being unacceptable is that someone may observe a seeker seeking it

I already asked Kirbert for details on if the management knows about this. If they know about it then there is no problem and they would actually approve of the other stuff. But in general, if you hide it so that it MUST be obvious that you are out of place, the box/cache will soon go missing. (We can discuss the ephemeral nature of boxes in another thread.)

But to answer the other question of yours about the "toxic stew", yes. I've asked (in another post) for more details from Kirbert. I've sought geocaches and letterboxes in public places, and it is quite fun being stealthy. I haven't found any that require wading, though I've hidden such a geocache. I've both found and hid geocaches that required climbing, but no letterboxes. It's the combination of all three that I object to. (We're still waiting for details from Kirbert to see if my wading and climbing assumptions are correct, but I'm thinking now that one or both will be incorrect.) And if it requires climbing or wading in such a public (and privately-owned place, unless it explicitly states that they have permission) I'd still say that it should be archived.

Still, as public as Kirbert has described it, I'd probably pass. I've passed on ones that public before, and one was in a city that I'm not likely go to again.

I'd plant on the statue if you didn't need to wade through the water, though.

Considering some of the other places that you've planted, I'm sure that you would. However, unless it is an extremely small stamp or a statue that will easily accommodate a box it won't last long.

However, unless it is an extremely small stamp or a statue that will easily accommodate a box it won't last long.

Boxes that I predict will last a long time sometimes go missing within days. Other boxes I think might disappear quickly end up lasting for years. Two urban boxes I've planted in very public locations, one in 2009 and one in 2010, are still alive and kicking. You never know.

One thing I've learned to predict about the longevity of a box is that you can never predict the longevity of a box. And saying things like

it won't last long

mean no more to me than the weatherman predicting the weather a week from now.

GJ

I'm currently working on a series of boxes and am on the hunt for locations to plant these boxes. I have a perfect place in mind for the next box. It is a place that's very dear to me, and fits with the theme of the series perfectly. The problem is, this location is notorious for late night teenage high-jinks and vandalism. Do I risk it? WWYD?

1. Do you have a REALLY good hiding spot chosen that will likely miss late night accidental finders?
2. Are you willing to recarve and replant if the box goes missing?

If you can answer yes to both those questions, plant where you want. :)

GJ

I gouged my first pumpkin carving tonight. It was really fun.

I wouldn't. It sounds like it will certainly go missing quickly. In addition, if the area has sketchy individuals hanging around, many LB'ers may choose to avoid going into that area. Even though you love the spot, another safer spot for your box would be my suggestion. Good luck!

One thing I've learned to predict about the longevity of a box is that you can never predict longevity of a box. And saying things like

it won't last long

mean no more to me than the weatherman predicting the weather a week from now.

Okay, you've done a lot more daring urban hides that I've done (even in geocaching) so I'll defer to your judgement on this, with one exception: I still don't think that a letterbox 6 feet up (from the ground) on a public statue in a very public place won't last long. Let me put a specific date on this, it won't last more than three months.

There can also be two classes, one with a logbook (for at least 12 1"x1" stamps) hidden with it and one with no log book. You've actually accomplished one of the types of hides I said was impossible. I don't think you can do this one. (Just, please, don't make people climb on the statue to get it.)

we're still waiting for Kirbert to give details about.

No, we're not.

I already asked Kirbert for details on if the management knows about this.

If he's smart (and I think the evidence has shown this to be the case), he'll ignore your request. It is rather beside the point.

Let me explain. No, there is too much... let me sum up:

blah blah hazy details about an interesting though extremely difficult hide blah blah

blah blah much assuming leading to intractable pronouncement of the absolute wrongness of said hide blah blah

blah blah usual suspects chime in with "not all boxes are for all boxers" defense blah blah

blah blah much flailing of words and bandying of fingers, along with posturing, backtracking, and general verbal mayhem among all parties blah blah

blah blah Kirbert! Help! blah blah

Kirbert: "Drizzle drazzle drozzle drone..."

I hope you mustered up the energy! If not, I hope your kid understands.

For years, I had chronic pain that made me have similar issues. I have since been diagnosed and I am living life again. I hope you are able to have the same experience.

Healing thought headed your way! :)

If he's smart (and I think the evidence has shown this to be the case), he'll ignore your request.

Kirbert does seem to be (generally) wiser than the Moose, as evidenced by the Moose's choice of Halloween costumes.

Well, you see,

These message boards are designed so letterboxers can discuss all sorts of subjects and topics while following only the topics of most interest to you.

That "only" part means that anyone not interested in blah, blah, blah is free to use the ignore button.

Signed Just One Of The Little Ole Usual Suspects. :::::batting eyelashes:::::

Don't do it.

But you may be able to recommend seeing the favorite spot, but plant a block away, or at some other less-frequented area, nearby.

No, I would not, unless you can camouflage that bad boy really, really well! I planted one in a spot like that and it only lasted a few months.

Praying for you! Keep us updated

Do you have a specific image you want carved? Or an idea of what you might want in that area? I might be able to help you! Send me a PM

Hi
We are driving from Albuquerque to Houston, any suggestions for some stunning boxes to stop for?
Need an excuse to get out of the car for a few minutes to stretch and hunt.
Cheers

http://www.atlasquest.com/showinfo.html?gTrackerId=8650

Above is the link for the 2016 BOM. Specifics can be found on the tracker. Right now there are 7 folks committed to this ring. We need 12 to make this work. Anybody else interested?

I used the trip planner from the toolbox on the toolbar at the top of this page to get these--skip the Santa Fe ones. http://www.atlasquest.com/results.html?typeId=1;sort=5;status=9;subFlags=176;title=Along+Route+66+%28offpath+%26lt%3B+5+mi%29;coords=32%2C0%2C100000;rad=5;location=ALONG+Route+66;gPage=4

Looks like #432 on are the ones you'd be interested in.

I've been reading all of these long posts tonight and am kind of amazed that anyone has the energy to write them! Or am I the only person who's crashing after eating too much Halloween candy?? x^o' (<-- That's me, drooling, while in a over-glucosed and semi-conscious state.)

Ixnay on the balloon release

If you'd be really upset if the box went missing, then I'd recommend that you plant elsewhere.

It would be yours to plant or do with as you wish, but you would list the name of the carver & they would get notices when people find it. It would count as a plant on your logbook & as a donation on theirs.

Thank you to everyone who braved the wind and rain to attend the Bubble Bubble Toil and Trouble Halloween Event in Ridgefield, WA. I enjoyed the howling of the wind and the tapping of the rain on the barn roof. It really added to the ambiance didn't it?

All of your costumes were amazing and very creative! Well done!

A huge thank you to Robertson Clan for the use of your amazing barn and spooktacular (I stole that word from FORAYCH) party decorations! A lot of attention to detail was very much appreciated and noticed!
A huge thank you to Inkwell for all the work and time that went into the amazing potion station, barracks, spooky music and decor. I am honored to work with such amazing, creative and inspiring letterboxers that always challenge me to raise the bar with letterboxes.

Thank you as well to Wishes and Doc's Menagerie for your hard work and efforts to make this event extra special. You ladies are amazing!

I would also like to thank the many letterboxers that didn't attend the event but were more than generous to share their creative talents with all of us and provide some of the AMAZING (I can't say that enough!) tabletop letterboxes for this event. You never cease to amaze and inspire.
frykitty, FORAYCH, dacingpecan, Funnymingo, Cookie Cutter, Gypsyladybug, Mrs. Mumble and Blackvelvetrav. Your event boxes are fabulous and I hope everyone who attended enjoyed your creations as much as I did!
And thank you to the ones who did attend and provide a few tabletop boxes for us to enjoy as well!

I would also like to mention that in the frenzy and excitement of the event, more than a couple of outstanding tabletop letterboxes were damaged or destroyed. Maybe if we could just slow down a bit and savor the time, work, and thoughtfulness that goes into creating these priceless beauties, I think we can all appreciate the story that goes along with each and every box. Some of the creators of these letterboxes have spent up to 6 months, painstakingly and lovingly making these letterboxes to be interactive and to knock your socks off but if we don't savor the work and energy that went into them, it almost makes it not worth the effort. My hope is that all of you did take the time to study and look over each and every one of the tabletop boxes at the event. You never know, you may have missed something!

Happy Halloween!
Kizmet

I've been reading all of these long posts tonight and am kind of amazed that anyone has the energy to write them!

Remember, they were written over several hours today. This is much longer than it took you to read them.

On a lighter note, I just posted an event for the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Hope you can join in!

BR

Did you guys finish your quest?

BR

I don't know why this one didn't show up: http://www.atlasquest.com/showinfo.html?boxId=126075

Nevermind! I see where I made my mistake. I was in the neighbors group when I tried adding a "Friend" to it that was already there - although this person was not a "Friend" yet.

Once I went to the "Friends" group I was able to add this person without difficulty.

Lesson learned for me: If I stumble upon someone among my neighbors that I want in my friends group. Change the group to friends first than add the person.

As I get older I find I make more and more mistakes like this.

Thanks for the help.