extra chuckley

LOVE the new board name ........ AND the new word !!!!

Chuckley is good
EXTRA Chuckley ..... is so much better !!!

and lets face it ...... watching WOLFIE spar with anyone is quite entertaining. This BOUT being with Aiphid just makes it that much more interesting.

This is better than NETFLIX INSTANT .......

It's "AQ STREAMING ENTERTAINMENT" at its finest !!!!

Dina B.

Sorry, it's hard to have a good bloodbath and keep it PG for the boards! We might have to continue this at a mini-meet ;)

I can arrange this ......
Plan it......
Sell tickets .......
take bets .......
Oh .... and serve cake too ......
or ....
perhaps ......... serve CROW ??.........

Mary Ann

I was just stressing the fact that the program from the beginning was run on the honor system, at least in NC.

I'll leave it up to the conscience of the individual hiker. :-)

Knit Wit

Well, you are too late with the ticket selling! He already kicked my butt!! But if we can ever get him to NC, I promise to start a new fight with him, and I totally get a cut on the ticket sales!!
Of course, this might be one of the things causing him to steer clear of the state....

But I just might get into it just for the sake of reading this board.

Woohoo!! Whatever works!

Nothing like watching a couple of dorks fight it out over some stupid detail! And that went on privately for a full day before he went and took it public! But I suspect that was probably to force me to keep it PG!!! There were kind of a high number of F bombs getting launched...

Thankfully, this took place AFTER hiking with him or I may have ended up pushed off the mountain!

Nothing like watching a couple of dorks fight it out over some stupid detail!

It even got me to post here again after a while of not doing so. Even though I don't count the miles anymore I do still peek in once in a while, but usually don't say anything.

You will have a difficult time trying to legislate integrity into letterboxing.

This program is run completely by the honor system and relies on the ethics of the participants. The planter prescribes how they would like the letterboxers to experience their box. The finder is under no obligation to follow the exact clues and is free to retrieve the box anyway they see fit. At this point however, it is the duty of the finder to record their hike accurately as the program is always dependent on the boxer recording their miles truthfully.

Thankfully, this took place AFTER hiking with him or I may have ended up pushed off the mountain!

I'm not sure you can completely discount that possibility quite yet. As long as there are Mountains, and Wolfies, this seems eventually likely.

I'm not sure you can completely discount that possibility quite yet.

Yet again I find myself in agreement with Wassa. Thankfully that doesn't cause quite the amount of mental turmoil as when I agree with Cyclonic. LOL

Knit Wit

I'm not sure you can completely discount that possibility quite yet. As long as there are Mountains, and Wolfies, this seems eventually likely.

True. I do kind of stupidly put myself in that position.... I really need to swear that stuff off....

Ooooo... it's nearly Big Bear shadow time in the mountains!!

Oh, Tigs!!! I do believe we have a mountain to hike!!

The finder is under no obligation to follow the exact clues and is free to retrieve the box anyway they see fit.

This one sentance struck me silly..... I want to try retrieving a box with out useing my hands. New challenge! I think some on the ground might be possible with my feet... good thing I often hike barefoot. Now for those stuck in the crotch of a tree... hmm.... do I dare attempt to pull them using my teeth? New game.... bobbing for letterboxes!

I wont rely on the honor system, youll have to go with you hands tied behind your back, and memorize your clues... but stamping in with no hands... hmm... thats a new tough one.....

I have actually changed my mind about something I put in that message I just posted too.

The little robot does have a knack for finding different ways to look at things. Where was he in 2009 when you were writing it? :)

After following along with this, I have never been so glad that I never started tracking my hikes for Treasure Hiker points. I hike because I can, because I want to, and because I love letterboxing under bright blue clear fall skies. All this back and forth wears me out.

I am glad you enjoy it, but I think you are both going to have to agree to disagree...

I am more annoyed with a hike that is posted as a long one, but was clearly misrepresented. It was about 1/2 to 2/3 the advertised hike length. Thank goodness for Box Radar as I had time for more boxes but had not printed any clues! But my pedometer is sad...

I have never been so glad that I never started tracking my hikes for Treasure Hiker points.

Wow. That completely backfired. I'm sorry! :(

But we did agree in the end! Aiphid is right. I apologize for creating the chaos I did. I seemed like fun at the time. But I do tend to get carried away....

Really, it's not that hard. I was just being a dork. Look:

Here's the only rule: One point for each mile hiked while letterboxing, either finding or planting, on hikes of 1 mile or longer round trip.

Here's the only rule: One point for each mile hiked while letterboxing, either finding or planting, on hikes of 1 mile or longer round trip.

But what happens if you do the hiking but cannot find the letterbox?
Can you still count the miles?

Can you still count the miles?

If it was a single box in and out, then the decision was made in 2009 that, no, you shouldn't. A series where one or two boxes were missing might be different, though I did see an old message on this board where the poster stated that if the first box in a series was there, but the following boxes were gone, the mileage for the following boxes should not count.

Once again, it is the honor system. Do as your conscience urges you to do. I am not going pass judgment on what should be a personal decision.

And mileage never counted for maintenance or accompanying others to find boxes that you have previously found, even if it is a new find for THEM.

Knit Wit

I couldn't even walk one mile. Now I can do 10 in a day.

I'm not going to condemn you. The program was intended to get people to hike longer distances and to plant on longer trails. Sounds like it has done that for you and that is freakin' fantastic! Well done! :-)

Knit Wit

OK, Wolfie has claimed that I am some sort of voice of authority (boy, if that doesn't scare you, I don't know what will).

In 2009 there were certain letterboxers who were tired of seeing new plants which seemed to be for the most part in parking lots where you could practically reach out the car door to get them. An idea was tossed around a bit of creating an incentive program to get people to plant on longer hikes and to FIND those plants. Those who were already planting on the long hikes weren't seeing finds on their boxes while the drive-bys were getting found left and right.

We developed some rules (really more guidelines) and launched the idea to the boards. People sang and danced in the streets, or the virtual equivalent thereof.

It has served its purpose and continues to. It was never meant to--at least from my point of view--to be a hard and fast "my way or the highway" sort of program. Different states set up different procedures.

The point was to get people hiking. It operates on the honor system. Nobody checks up on you and you will not be sent to Letterboxing Hell if you count maintenance and attempts to your mileage. I always felt the program should just be an incentive to get people hiking. As long as they are happy with their progress, that's great.

I stress that this has always been my point of view. There were others who did draw a harder line in the sand as far as what counted.

Knit Wit

I am more annoyed with a hike that is posted as a long one, but was clearly misrepresented. It was about 1/2 to 2/3 the advertised hike length.

I once had the opposite problem. The planter had listed the one way distance as the round trip distance. My 4 mile hike turned out to be 8 miles, which I discovered about half way out to the box. Luckily, I had no other plans for the day so I was able to get the box, but my feet weren't happy with me at the end of the day.

If the clues take you on the full loop for 1.5 miles, ONE treasure hiker point is earned because partial miles don't count.

Well...the widget lets you count fractions of miles. As far as I'm concerned, as long as it's over 1 mile, record the full length of the hike that involved finding or planting (not attempts or maintenance). I do try to stay honest myself--a friend and I hiked about a half mile to the first box, then another half mile to where another box was supposed to be...and didn't find it, despite a lengthy search. So we went home and counted it as one mile.

;-)
≥Kit Kat≤
trying to figure out how to order a "bronze" pathtag for 250 miles in CT, where the fractions count!

the widget lets you count fractions of miles.

There was quite an uproar when that nugget was discovered. At the time I too entered my fractions in the widget figuring it would average out over time. :-)

You learn something new every day!! I thought it was fluff part of boxing... and here it is all about the hike :)
~C~

a friend and I hiked about a half mile to the first box, then another half mile to where another box was supposed to be...and didn't find it, despite a lengthy search. So we went home and counted it as one mile.

I still count it that way from the old days too and intend to continue. :)

But if the newer Moderators want to tweak it or new interpretations have come out of our less than perfect guidelines, I'm okay with that too.

It is as Knit Wit said about what your conscience dictates and the honor system. :)

While I realize that this program started for and by letterboxers, would geocachers be welcomed into the program, too?

I have a cousin who has been caching for 10 years (since the beginning, really), and he has logged hundreds of miles in the Northeast. He also collects pathtags, and wanted to trade with me to get my TH ones.

Of course, I was loathe to part with them, but it got me to thinking - would the people who own the TH programs in the various states be willing to sell to geocachers? Why or why not?

If he finds some letterboxes for it, of course he can! Part of the program is also about planting letterboxes so I think it should stay a letterboxes program. But hybrids also count as letterboxes. :)

would the people who own the TH programs in the various states be willing to sell to geocachers? Why or why not?

Speaking as someone who is NOT a TH administrator...

If they meet the requirements (typically, xx miles in search of LETTERBOXES), then they have earned one. If they haven;t earned it, then no, they shouldn't be able to get one. What would be the point of it if you just gave them away to people who didn't earn them?

What would be the point of it if you just gave them away to people who didn't earn them?

I know I'm going to catch hell for this, but...

They're called Treasure Hiker Miles. Not "Letterboxer" Hiker Miles.

Geocaches are treasure too. And Geocachers, at least the ones I know, hike.

Hence, my question, of the people who administer the programs.

Amy, who has to learn to live with geocaching...

P.S. Don't hurt me; I'm still new. :)

It might not have the name Letterbox in the title but here is the basic rule:

Here's the only rule: One point for each mile hiked while letterboxing, either finding or planting, on hikes of 1 mile or longer round trip.

I do believe he is going to be forced to do some letterboxing for this program. A shame, I know! But he might like it if he tries it...

OK, Wolfie has claimed that I am some sort of voice of authority (boy, if that doesn't scare you, I don't know what will).

All rise as the honorable Knit Wit has entered the Atlas Quest Court carrying her trusted gavel baseball bat.

We developed some rules

Why do I get the feeling these rules are etched in rubber, not stone? =P

Geocaches are treasure too

Now, that is just funny!