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Re: Gouge Modification Photos
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Reply to: #801721 by Kirbert
Sep 1, 2013 11:55pm
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This gallery now contains one new pic of a K gouge as well as pics of reversed and miniaturized gouges and a 3U:

http://www.atlasquest.com/gallery/viewalbum.html?gAlbumId=3810

I really wish it were possible to rearrange the photos into a deliberate presentation order rather than just chronologically or alphabetically.
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Reply to: #801858 by Khameleon
Sep 2, 2013 12:11am
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Perhaps some of the experienced reversed gouge carvers can chime in here, but I think there's probably a fundamental difference in style that determines whether a reversed will work for you or not. When using a regular V gouge, there are two methods that you can use to control how deep the gouge cuts, and hence how big a cut it makes. The first and most obvious method is to just hold it carefully; when it's a bit too deep, lift it a bit, and when it's a bit too shallow, press it into the rubber more firmly. The other, less obvious method is to allow the gouge to ride on the surface of the rubber on the smooth bottom of the nib just behind the cutting edge, and adjust the depth of cut by changing the angle of the handle: The higher the handle, the deeper the cut. Either method works well with a regular V gouge because it's designed to be easy to control.

The reversed is a different animal, though. Simply guided through the rubber, it wants to dive! And it'll quickly go entirely too deep if the carver isn't careful. If you control the depth by holding the gouge at the level you want, you'll have to manhandle it to keep it from going too deep. Honestly, I do that -- but I'm 6'4" and 300 lb, no shortage of strength here. And, frankly, it's still not easy to do. The other method, though, letting the gouge ride on its smooth bottom and merely adjusting the handle angle to control depth, works much better and with much less brute force. You can run into some issues when the smooth bottom falls into the groove you just cut, but in general it seems to work well.

Alternatively, you can choose to use a reversed only when you're making very tiny cuts, which keeps the diving issue negligible.
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Reply to: #801909 by Kirbert
Sep 2, 2013 6:58am
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That's probably a pretty darn good assessment! I was pretty sure it was in the carving style but I couldn't explain it. I know I angle my gouge every which way. And for long wide cuts I pick up a normal #1. The reverse is for detail work.

I've had people tell me that they think their reverse is just not sharp but I kind of doubt that. I think it is just in the carving style. But I plan on trying someone else's reverse next week and they will use mine so we shall see...
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Reply to: #801908 by Kirbert
Sep 2, 2013 3:30pm
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I really wish it were possible to rearrange the photos into a deliberate presentation order rather than just chronologically or alphabetically.

Weellll, if you name your photos "A. reversed" (or whatever you want first), then "B. mini" (or whatever you want second), etc., then arrange alphabetically, you should be able to arrive at your deliberate presentation.
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Reply to: #801844 by tiggermama
Sep 2, 2013 4:46pm
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Did you not see that Forayach said that he would thumb wrestle with me & then he would give me a NICE carving lesson! neener, neener, neener! Some folks are just nice.

I can't say I'll run when you show up cause I'm still not fast enough. You'd overtake me, I'm afraid. I'll hide it & leave clues. yeah, that's it! NO! I'm hanging on for that lesson!
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Reply to: #801847 by The Wolf Family
Sep 2, 2013 4:48pm
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I was hoping for the lesson whether I won or lost. Hoping the winner would feel sorry for the loser, if that is the way the thumb lands! ; )
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Reply to: #801886 by WiseOldOwl
Sep 2, 2013 4:51pm
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I'm almost scared to try the K, even though it sounds like just what I need.

Oh be brave & give it a whirl! Then just send it off to Foraych if you can't get it to work! (or me!)
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Reply to: #802090 by bluebirdlover
Sep 2, 2013 4:53pm
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I was hoping for the lesson whether I won or lost. Hoping the winner would feel sorry for the loser, if that is the way the thumb lands!

Here's how it works:
  • If I win, I get the reverse
  • If I lose, you hand over YOUR reverse, and I'll give you a lesson
(of course, I can't say that your reverse is ever making it back into your hands...)
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Reply to: #802092 by The Wolf Family
Sep 2, 2013 5:00pm
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ere's how it works:

If I win, I get the reverse
If I lose, you hand over YOUR reverse, and I'll give you a lesson

(of course, I can't say that your reverse is ever making it back into your hands...)

Wow! You are wicked. Where did you write about me pocketing YOUR reverse? Thought you had one did you???????
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Reply to: #802094 by bluebirdlover
Sep 2, 2013 5:12pm
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Where did you write about me pocketing YOUR reverse?

Yes, I did seem to have left that part out, didn't I?
I guess that would be a possibility IF I brought it with me. Thankfully, it will be safely elsewhere...
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Reply to: #802088 by bluebirdlover
Sep 2, 2013 6:32pm
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well, i'll give you a lesson too, and no thumb wars! that sounds WAY too violent. how's about just a nice cuppa tea, and a little walk, a carving lesson, and we call it good?

how's that Boy o' yours?

~tigs
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Reply to: #802135 by tiggermama
Sep 2, 2013 6:54pm
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and no thumb wars! that sounds WAY too violent.

Well, I don't think it's supposed to be but...

Wolf *who likes to apply Calvin Ball "rules" to all games*
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Reply to: #802147 by The Wolf Family
Sep 2, 2013 8:29pm
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Those "Calvin Ball" rules really are great - maybe you can teach me those while I give a carving exhibition to bluebirdlover (and tigs sneaks your reverses from your stash). :)
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Reply to: #802178 by FORAYCH
Sep 2, 2013 8:32pm
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(and tigs sneaks your reverses from your stash).

OMG!! Don't you DARN recruit Tigs!! As Igor's Assistant, I demand that you take my side!
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Reply to: #802179 by The Wolf Family
Sep 2, 2013 8:44pm
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OMG!! Don't you DARN recruit Tigs!! As Igor's Assistant, I demand that you take my side!

Silly, Igor's Assistant! Tigs recruited ME - she is the one in charge, amazing you did not notice that for yourself!

FORAYCH - Stirring, stirring, poking, and stirring some more ;)
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Reply to: #802183 by FORAYCH
Sep 2, 2013 8:54pm
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Tigs recruited ME - she is the one in charge

WHAT??? Who the heck put HER in charge??!!
Hmmm... I'm not sure I want to know the answer to that...
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Reply to: #802057 by artTrekker
Sep 2, 2013 9:11pm
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When others view the gallery, would they see the photos in alphabetical order or in whatever their own default order is?
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Reply to: #802187 by The Wolf Family
Sep 2, 2013 9:36pm
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LOL!!!

I'm not sure I want to know the answer to that...

Here of course is who did: ???????
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Reply to: #802193 by Kirbert
Sep 3, 2013 1:00am
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When others view the gallery, would they see the photos in alphabetical order or in whatever their own default order is?

dunno. Ryan? Wassa?
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Reply to: #802178 by FORAYCH
Sep 3, 2013 5:10am
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i like you!!!

~tigs (*walking quietly around the Wolf*)

by the way, if you strap BACON to any part of your body, that will help keep her attention.
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Reply to: #801721 by Kirbert
Sep 7, 2013 12:07am
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I have just posted additional photos of the 2U, the 4 Short, and -- of all things -- a 0.5:

http://www.atlasquest.com/gallery/viewalbum.html?gAlbumId=3810&gSortBy=alpha

This link is better than the earlier version, because it goes ahead and sorts alphabetically. Since I've named all the photos for the gouge itself, this will automagically group all the photos of the same type mod together.
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Reply to: #801909 by Kirbert
Sep 18, 2013 12:12pm
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{I'm 6'4" and 300 lb, no shortage of strength here}

No way! I had you pegged for a medium-height skinny guy with a large-ish brainy head. Oh man, where did I get that image and how will I ever correct it???

Hope to meet you in person someday, Kirbert but I think we're at opposite ends of the country. :-)
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Reply to: #803225 by Kirbert
Sep 18, 2013 12:53pm
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So where can we get the 2U and/or 3U? They are not listed on Stampeaz.

They look great for cutting back on the mountain-topping part of carving. Even with the clear photos, I'm not sure which size is best. We have a #5 that looks to be the size of the 3U pictured there. I can tell the #5 has been heated and reworked (Wood-aug) but I doubt it's size was that much different. Kirbert as crazy as it sounds is #3 and #5 the same size?

Any help in locating these and solving my undecidedness is appreciated.
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Reply to: #805770 by Kurious Jo
Sep 18, 2013 1:05pm
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I'm 6'4" and 300 lb, no shortage of strength here

Thus is explained the plethora of cashew containers.
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Reply to: #805783 by Kurious Jo
Sep 18, 2013 2:34pm
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Oh duh I read the full description for the U3. It *is* smaller than our #5, right? Great!!!

Now to figure out how to get them.
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Reply to: #805783 by Kurious Jo
Sep 18, 2013 4:27pm
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Yeah, Webfoot hasn't opted to start carrying the 2U or 3U. Jump on her case!

No, the 3U is about half the size of a normal #5. The 2U is probably less than half the size of a 3U!
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Reply to: #805841 by Kirbert
Sep 19, 2013 5:37pm
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Yeah, Webfoot hasn't opted to start carrying the 2U or 3U. Jump on her case!

Consider her case jumped on. ;-)

Kirbert, I'll be sending you a big box of goodies to play with very shortly. If you have a particular number of each you think I should include, say so and I'll make it so.

Webfoot (trying to smooth the dents back out of her case... )
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Reply to: #805841 by Kirbert
Sep 19, 2013 11:16pm
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Turns out someone offered to send me their 3U!! I'm so grateful.

KJo (who, being a monkey, is perfectly capable of jumping on cases or climbing on palm trees but knows better than to monkey around with puffins or palms that provide carving supplies) :-)
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Reply to: #806135 by Webfoot
Sep 19, 2013 11:53pm
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Will there be any Speedball nibs involved?
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Reply to: #806203 by Kirbert
Sep 20, 2013 6:02pm
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Will there be any Speedball nibs involved?

Yes, hence the case jumping comment. :)

Webfoot