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Re: KNS on Attempts
Board: Stupider Questions About Letterboxing
Reply to: #813372 by wassamatta u
Oct 31, 2013 6:00pm
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You know, I was just thinking, what if we only had the option of Find or N/A? Then if someone wanted to leave comments about his/her hunt, they would have to take the time to comment *intelligently* about their adventure. Let those who follow make a determination about whether to put the box(es) on the to-do list.

I don't understand the problem. The system ain't broke, so it doesn't need fixing. Can't we all be consistent on HOW to record? Ryan's suggestion for tags is the best alternative available for those who don't want to record the way the system was designed.

Wassa, shouldn't you be at-tempting the beggars with Sugar Free Gummi's tonight?
Re: Getting ready for Halloween
Board: Yakking It Up
Reply to: #813347 by R gang
Oct 31, 2013 6:04pm
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Here's a good one---T & T was cancelled tonite cas of rain??!! Rescheduled for Sat nite!! Now was any of your T & Ts ever cancelled for rain??!! Come on!! Wimps!

I received an automated call from the city last night saying that Trick or Treat was postponed to Friday night due to the potential for strong storms tonight. They want to make sure everyone is as safe as possible. I don't call that wimpy...I call that very smart.

TG
Re: card folding techniques
Board: LTC: Tips, Questions, and Stuff
Reply to: #813231 by Red Paisley Quilter
Oct 31, 2013 6:11pm
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I think I'll show this to my daughter and we can use some of these ideas for birth announcements when my grandbaby is born! Thanks!
Re: Getting ready for Halloween
Board: Yakking It Up
Reply to: #813381 by Trekkie Gal
Oct 31, 2013 6:19pm
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They want to make sure everyone is as safe as possible.

Yeah, mixing poor visibility, slick roads, and hordes of little kids seems like a recipe for disaster!
Re: Getting ready for Halloween
Board: Yakking It Up
Reply to: #813384 by WiseOldOwl
Oct 31, 2013 6:25pm
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Yeah, mixing poor visibility, slick roads, and hordes of little kids seems like a recipe for disaster!

Yeah. It should be called the Darwin Games.

(and kids in your neighborhoods still walk??!!! Here they drive them around and send the sibs to the door with a loot bag for the infant back in the carseat. True story.)
Re: KNS on Attempts
Board: Stupider Questions About Letterboxing
Reply to: #813365 by Trailhead Tessie
Oct 31, 2013 6:37pm
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You misunderstand -- I'm defining "attempt" as the dictionary does. It means you tried. That is factual.

I can't quite understand the value in logging an attempt if you got too tired, lost, wet, etc. to find the box or failed in deciphering a mystery clue. This gives no useful information to the planter and other potential finders and has the unfortunate side effect of irritating some planters who may go out to do box maintenance in light of such attempts.

It's true that you can never be entirely sure whether you've found the correct tree, rock, or hidey-hole, but if the clues appear to match up, and the box is in an area where it could be possible that it has disappeared, then that's exactly what logging an attempt is for! If you need to be one hundred percent certain that the box is missing, when can you ever log an attempt? It gives useful information to both the planter and other potential finders. In some cases, I sought out a box and never quite found a location that matched with the clues and therefore logged no attempt.

On the other hand, I've logged attempts on a few boxes that I've found at a later date because I thought about the clues a second time, happened to hike the area again and give the clues another go, or went out after others logged successful finds. I don't feel particularly badly about logging even these attempts, which are a small percentage of the total logged attempts, because I truly believed I had found the correct location. In my opinion, more information is helpful to all those involved.

Nairon
Re: Haunted Tales of TN
Board: State: Tennessee
Reply to: #813238 by Keri Yokey
Oct 31, 2013 6:50pm
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Trick or treating at the mall was ok. Food at grandma's sucked but she enjoyed. And the haunted house was closed. Bust bust bust. But the kids enjoyed themselves and I enjoyed them so win win! Oh, and DH was nice too, lol!

Oh, and as for the mall, since when did it become acceptable for kids to not dress up at all and adults to collect candy with no kids??
Re: We are Moving to NC
Board: State: North Carolina
Reply to: #813335 by The Wolf Family
Oct 31, 2013 7:06pm
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THAT is who they are, NOT the disease that they did NOT choose.

unfortunately that is the hardest part for most people to realize. the bigger picture is what makes the process so much easier in this as a caregiver you can try to reiterate that to the person you're taking care of it helps them ease into everything they're about to go through
Re: Survivor Potential spoilers
Board: Television: After the Show Ends
Reply to: #813242 by Cherokee Rose
Oct 31, 2013 7:14pm
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Well I sure didn't want to see Laura go last night. I like her and hope she is able to come back into the game.

Neither did I but when she pulls a bird-brained stunt like 'spilling' the intent of the vote without checking first with her alliance, all bets are off! Old Blue and I wondered how much Rupert was squirming when he viewed it! "Nooooo, Honey! What are you DOOOOing?"

~~Doublesaj~~
Re: Special song for the NC board
Board: State: North Carolina
Reply to: #813112 by knit wit
Oct 31, 2013 7:15pm
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I know this song evokes lots of yucks and ewwws but when my daughter was little after we got her ready for bed she would hug us and sing that song to us rocking back and forth. Soooo cute I just loved it! She's almost 11 now and I miss my little girl. :(
Captain Kirk gets a new ship
Board: Starfleet Command
Oct 31, 2013 7:36pm
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Ok, I'm not talking about THAT Captain Kirk. But there is a US Navy Captain named James Kirk, and he has just been assigned to the USS...Zumwalt. Yeah, not the Enterprise, but it IS the Navy's new stealth ship, so it's still pretty cool. I just wonder how many Star Trek references he's had to endure throughout his career, especially since his promotion to Captain. :)

TG
Re: Neighbors
Board: Walking4Fun
Reply to: #813376 by hyacinth
Oct 31, 2013 7:45pm
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Thanks~
Re: Captain Phillips
Board: Movie Moments
Reply to: #813324 by Jaxx
Oct 31, 2013 7:48pm
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the crew says that the whole movie is a fabrication, and that most of it either didn't happen at all, or is an outright lie.

Well, they would say that, wouldn't they?! There was mostly truth in this movie. See the accounting here:
http://entertainment.time.com/2013/10/12/movie-fact-check-captain-phillips/

~~Doublesaj~~
Re: Huge thanks to Lost Sailor!
Board: State: California
Reply to: #813366 by Wendy
Oct 31, 2013 8:05pm
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♪ ♫ ♪♫

how's it you can do this?
Re: Survivor Potential spoilers
Board: Television: After the Show Ends
Reply to: #813389 by DoubleSaj and Old Blue
Oct 31, 2013 8:19pm
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I wondered how much Rupert was squirming when he viewed it! "Nooooo, Honey! What are you DOOOOing?"

You transcribed your thought so perfectly, I could actually HEAR him say that! : )
Re: Huge thanks to Lost Sailor!
Board: State: California
Reply to: #813403 by crosscresent
Oct 31, 2013 8:22pm
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Using key board with number keypad... Alt 1 ,3 and Alt 1, 4. Doesn't work on laptop, notebook, iPad, etc since they do not have side numerical pad

Wendy
Single #4
Board: Postals
Oct 31, 2013 8:50pm
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For fans of Big Bang Theory. Please don't sign up if you can't follow through. These are some of my favorite stamps.

-KK

http://www.atlasquest.com/showinfo.html?gTrackerId=7354
Re: Getting ready for Halloween
Board: Yakking It Up
Reply to: #813347 by R gang
Oct 31, 2013 8:54pm
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It rained here, and we still had trick or treating. But Louisiana is another state that would never get anything done if they cancelled things because of rain.

dp
Re: Huge thanks to Lost Sailor!
Board: State: California
Reply to: #813366 by Wendy
Oct 31, 2013 9:37pm
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the gnomes have already gotten to her

So this is......bad use of gnome-enclature????
Re: crabbing....
Board: State: New Hampshire
Reply to: #813194 by gollygee
Oct 31, 2013 9:39pm
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Yahoo! Thank you and I hope you enjoy them. I heard it snowed in NH yesterday. Maybe there are a few good things about Memphis....!
Happy AQversary, Christmas6!!
Board: State: Indiana
Oct 31, 2013 9:47pm
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Why didn't you join on Christmas? LOL I hope you got out on the trail today, or did some carving.
May you have many more AQversaries.

Mary/CC
Der Mad Stamper
Board: T-shirts! Patches! Paraphernalia!
Oct 31, 2013 9:49pm
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Has anyone heard from M lately? Or have a way of getting in touch? Placed a patch order but haven't been able to catch up with him here or on FB.
Re: Der Mad Stamper
Board: T-shirts! Patches! Paraphernalia!
Reply to: #813412 by foxfriend
Oct 31, 2013 10:03pm
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I've only seen posts asking about turn around time on orders. I've seen anywhere from a month to three if I remember correctly.
Single #5
Board: Postals
Oct 31, 2013 10:07pm
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Apparently I have nothing better to do with my time than carve stamps. Sounds pretty good to me!

Pie!
http://www.atlasquest.com/showinfo.html?gTrackerId=7355
Re: KNS on Attempts
Board: Stupider Questions About Letterboxing
Reply to: #813386 by Nairon
Oct 31, 2013 11:06pm
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I can't quite understand the value in logging an attempt if you got too tired, lost, wet, etc. to find the box or failed in deciphering a mystery clue. This gives no useful information to the planter and other potential finders and has the unfortunate side effect of irritating some planters who may go out to do box maintenance in light of such attempts.

Exactly. That's why we keep having these discussions, because people insist upon logging attempts of exactly that sort!

The difference is apparent when you actually read what they're doing, though. They usually expect that logging an attempt on AQ is something they do for their own records, not for anyone else! They're just logging that attempt to remind themselves that they already did something towards finding this box, even if it was just to turn around halfway there because it was getting too dark. And the whole issue of whether the planter or other finders get to read it is just whether or not they're curious about what you've been doing.
Re: KNS on Attempts
Board: Stupider Questions About Letterboxing
Reply to: #813313 by Colorful Caterpillars
Oct 31, 2013 11:16pm
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To list an attempt when you got to the trail and it stayed raining (why would THAT stop you anyway? LOL) so you went home? That's just ridiculous and wrong.

I did something similar but not quite. I went to find a series of three boxes. I looked pretty thoroughly for the first box and figured it was missing. (It was later confirmed by the planter to be missing.). To get the second and third box I had to go past the T in the trail that goes back to the parking lot and it started raining before I got to the T. I decided I wanted to get them in order and I didn't want to get the log books wet so I bagged it for the day. It is within 10 miles of home so I'll get it another day.

The missing box has been replaced so I should go get it now.

Not exactly what you brought up, but I can understand someone stopping when it rains.
Re: KNS on Attempts
Board: Stupider Questions About Letterboxing
Reply to: #813328 by JampersandJ
Oct 31, 2013 11:21pm
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If a box is found, but there isn't a stamp inside, that one should be recorded as missing, right?

I think so, but you'll find people who'll be happy to argue otherwise. I consider the stamp the heart and soul of a letterbox, though, so if the stamp is missing, I'll record it as missing. I think some people feel like since they found part of the box they should still get credit as part of their F-count, but they probably don't think of the stamp as the heart and soul of letterbox--they probably consider the hunt is what makes a letterbox a letterbox, and by that definition, it makes sense to count a partial find. *shrug*

So I personally don't consider it a find, and I wish everyone else agreed with me, but they don't. =) (The majority of people, I think, do agree with me on this count, but there are obviously exceptions!)

-- Ryan
Re: Snow!
Board: Walking4Fun
Reply to: #813379 by Rydeswitheagles
Oct 31, 2013 11:24pm
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Shoveling my driveway only gives me 400 steps!

Maybe you need to strap your pedometer to your wrist in that case. ;o)

-- Ryan
Re: Neighbors
Board: Walking4Fun
Reply to: #813376 by hyacinth
Oct 31, 2013 11:27pm
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You can choose the distance you want by clicking on the "add neighbors" icon.

Not only that, but it's possible to even have neighbors that are on entirely different trails since if a neighbor changes trails, they'll still be listed as a neighbor. Or if you change trails, all of your neighbors will still be on the old trail and you'll have to add new ones to have neighbors on your existing trail.

So neighbors might be anywhere!

-- Ryan
Re: KNS on Attempts
Board: Stupider Questions About Letterboxing
Reply to: #813350 by Trailhead Tessie
Oct 31, 2013 11:57pm
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Many others (the majority, I think) refuse to say, "I think a box is missing" and will not log the box either way. I certainly will not do it. Ever.

I bet you think a box is missing at times, but you just don't record it as such since you can't be 100% certain. You just don't want to go out on a limb and say it publicly just in case you're wrong. =)

> People get really upset when illegitimate attempts are recorded on their boxes, but they don't get upset when legitimate attempts aren't recorded.

Only because they don't know about it.

Assuming that is true, I don't see why that matters.

BUT! I don't think that assertion is true because a lot of people who don't like to publicly post their attempts will often contact the planters personally and ask if they were looking in the correct place, and often times they were. But I've never heard of a planter getting upset at one of these people for not recording their attempt publicly. I suppose it could happen so I wouldn't rule it out completely, but even when people know that there were attempts on their boxes that weren't recorded, they still don't get upset over it.

I'm defining "attempt" as the dictionary does.

Dictionary definition arguments don't really work very well because dictionaries usually have a lot of definitions for words. A complete dictionary will likely have dozens of definitions for a single word, and different dictionaries will even define words slightly differently from each other. And sometimes, people will even argue exactly what a dictionary means with a certain definition. Entire lawsuits have been fought over what a single word "means." So "dictionary arguments" will never get you anywhere--especially when you're trying to argue that a word means something other than what the person who wrote it means. Perhaps you feel my wording is unclear, but I know what I meant when I wrote it. I feel like you're trying to tell me that no, that's not what I meant at all. Well, uhh, yes it is.

In this case, I defined the words "attempt" and "missing" for Atlas Quest. If you prefer your own definition and therefore choose never to record an attempt... *shrug* I won't lose sleep over it. You aren't hurting anything by not recording your attempts except maybe a couple of people might look for a box that's missing because you didn't want to presume it was missing. But finders ought to expect missing boxes every now and then so that shouldn't be a huge shock to them either. It's part of letterboxing.

It would be stating an opinion, not a fact.

Facts are fuzzy things. The earth used to be flat. Then it was round. Now it's an "oblate spheroid." Check out The Half-life of Facts. There are no such things as "facts." ;o) (Except that--no such things as facts is a fact. *more eye twitching*)

-- Ryan