LOST is back - even though it will only be for eight episodes, I am glad it is back. Tonight's episode was great - new mysteries - what is that Hurley is not supposed to tell, who are the Oceanic Six (we know three of them, who are the other three?), what or who are the rescuers really after, why do both Hurley and Jack want to go back? So many new questions that will keep us coming back!

Wild Dreams

who are the Oceanic Six

After Hurley mentioned the Oceanic Six, I kept saying to myself "Six?" "Six?" "Six?" as if that was somehow going to help me understand. :)

we know three of them, who are the other three?

Do we really know? This show is notorious for making us think we know something and then twisting things into something totally different.

TG

Scuttlebutt on the net is Sun is one of the six.

even though it will only be for eight episodes

So since it was originally supposed to be 16 new episodes in a row for the next 3 years, does this mean they are going to start next season earlier with episode number 9 from this year? SO maybe next year has 25 episodes instead of 16? Or will they push it out one more half season?

Oh please let this strike be over soon!

I'm really trying to stay away from the spoilers out on the net this season - and have not looked at any of them. I predict the other three of the six (thinking that three of them may be Jack, Kate and Hurley), are Sun, Claire and Aaron (counted as only one) and then Ben. I think in the end we are going to be surpised to learn that Michael and Walt never made it back.

Why does Jack cry for Ben? Maybe it is because of the lost opportunity to sue his knowledge to get back, maybe because in some twisted sense he needs Ben as an adversary, maybe it has something to do with his operation gone bad and he feels a responsibility in the "do no harm" sense of being a physician.

WD

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sue his knowledge

use his knowledge, not sue his knowledge

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and then Ben

But would Ben really be called one of the "Oceanic 6" even if he did leave the island with them? After all, he wasn't on the plane....

But would Ben really be called one of the "Oceanic 6" even if he did leave the island with them? After all, he wasn't on the plane....

Excellent point. I think tht would rule out Ben....Chuck and Amy

{{Do we really know? This show is notorious for making us think we know something and then twisting things into something totally different. }}

Maybe not, but it does kinda seem like we know three of them immediately (Jack, Kate and Hurley) since they are the ones that have been shown.
Heck, I dunno anymore.

My question is if Hurley went with Locke, then how'd he get "rescued" with the 6?

Good point - Ben would not be considered one of the oceanic six.

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My question is if Hurley went with Locke, then how'd he get "rescued" with the 6?

I think we are still a long way from the point at which they get rescued. They've got three seasons left to fill, after all-- a lot can happen between now and then.

Yes, they still have quite a bit of story left.
I think that the flash forwards are very clever because you don't know where they are on the timeline. When they go from a flash forward back to the island- that's technically the new flashback.
Obviously the season finale had Jack further along in time than he appeared last night. Why did he go from not wanting to go back (last night) to desperately wanting to go back (Season 3 finale).
I don't think we'll discover who the other 3 are for sometime. You know that John and Danielle aren't leaving.

The big mystery this year is going to be what the rescued Lostie's don't want the world to know. What are they covering up?

I've really missed this show. My brain's hurting from all the new info and it feels good :-)

Orion***
P.S. I can't believe Jack pulled the trigger!

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Why did he go from not wanting to go back (last night) to desperately wanting to go back (Season 3 finale).

I think it was more that he was trying to convince himself (when talking to Hurley) that he didn't want to go back. By the time of the S3 finale, he told Kate he couldn't lie any more-- and I feel like he meant to himself. Maybe the conversation with Hurley started him down that road.

Also, after thinking about it a bit, I'm gonna bet that Claire/Aaron are not part of the Six. I think they are the ones that "Charlie" was telling Hurley he had to go back for. I'm sure that after Charlie's death, Hurley felt a responsibility to take care of Claire and Aaron in his friend's stead.

I'm gonna bet that Claire/Aaron are not part of the Six. I think they are the ones that "Charlie" was telling Hurley he had to go back for.

I completely agree.

I also wonder exactly what that guy said that posed as a lawyer and visited Hurley. I didn't hear him well at the end. He asked if "they" were still alive or something? Hmmm. Wonder who wants to find the folks on the island....

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I also wonder exactly what that guy said that posed as a lawyer and visited Hurley. I didn't hear him well at the end. He asked if "they" were still alive or something?

Yeah, that's what I heard.

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Hmmm. Wonder who wants to find the folks on the island....

Who indeed....

do you think Hurley has the ability to see dead people?

the reason I ask is, he sees Charlie...who states that, yes, he is dead...but also on the island when Hurley became separated from the group and he comes upon the cabin and looks inside, I thought it showed him seeing someone (possibly Jacob?)

so I'm trying to figure out why he sees these things, though I know he is in a mental institution...I don't think it's because he's crazy and seeing the dead.

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do you think Hurley has the ability to see dead people?

the reason I ask is, he sees Charlie...who states that, yes, he is dead...but also on the island when Hurley became separated from the group and he comes upon the cabin and looks inside, I thought it showed him seeing someone (possibly Jacob?)

so I'm trying to figure out why he sees these things, though I know he is in a mental institution...I don't think it's because he's crazy and seeing the dead.

I don't know. Maybe Charlie is just replacing his old imaginary friend. And everyone on the island sees dead people/people who aren't there, it seems.
What he saw in the cabin seemed to be a person sitting in a rocking chair (Jacob?) and then an eye right in front of him. I immediately thought the eye looked like Locke's, and when Locke "found" him a minute later, that seemed to confirm it. So was Locke "talking" to Jacob before Hurley stumbled onto them?

Does "the oceanic six" mean that only six survived....or that only six came back? Is the secret that there are still some hiding out on the island...or that their ghosts are all that is left....do the people on the boat kill them all?

Heard something today about Penny's father being involved in a possible plot to find the island...thus the boat race every year....unless he is part of the Dharma initiative...or the large company that paid for it.

P.S. I can't believe Jack pulled the trigger!

I told y'all like 2 seasons ago... Jack is not as he likes eveyone to think he is.
I don't care much for Jack.... never have.
I see right through him *laugh*

who is the oceanic 6

at first I assumed it was gonna be who ever went with Jack to the beach to get rescued but that is NOT right. I do not believe one of the 6 is Ben. *shaking head* that makes no sense to me. so...

there is Kate, Jack & Hurley
Rose & Bernard (just a guess) and then who is the other.
is Kate married to the 6th one?
she said she had to get back to "him" during the meeting with bearded Jack at the airport.
is it Sawyer? my gut keeps telling me NO... but who else?
I hope the best for Sawyer.

Hurley apologized to Jack for going with Loche.
so somehow those rescued is a mixture of the two groups we saw last night going separate ways.
i think the crap is about to hit the fan
and i think the 6 has led civilization to believe the rest were dad or something...
hard to swallow but maybe at the urging of Oceanic airlines...
or maybe the wishes of those left behind?????

who was in the coffin last season?
who did jack think Kate would go to the funeral for?
was it Loche... Ben?? who??

as usual...
more questions... but dang I love it!
I just need more of it!

I doubt Rose and Bernard leave the island. Didn't she have cancer and since they have been on the island she is fine? I remember she stopped Bernard from making the SOS sign out of rocks because she didn't want to leave...

yes...
I thought of that too. Rose likes it on the island but refused to go with "that man" (Locke)...
so maybe my mind was making that assumption again...
that those 6 were the ones that went with Jack... and we know that isn't true.
I guess Sun & Jin would for sure WANT off the island.
so if nothing happens to them then I guess it would be safe to say they would try to be among the rescued or the "oceanic 6"

I do think Sun could be one of the Oceanic 6 because she'll die if she gives birth on the island. So, assuming she couldn't leave Jin behind, they'd be two of the other 3.

I also think the 6th could be Sawyer since Kate had to get back to "him".

I also agree that the Oceanic 6 are keeping a secret that the rest of them are still on the island. Can't wait to see why.

As for Hurley being able to see dead people, that's interesting. On Lostpedia, they said it was Christian Shepherd (Jack's dead father) in the rocking chair in the cabin. They have a photo grab and it does, indeed, look like him. Lostpedia also says the eye that appears in the window was Jacob's, but I had assumed it was Locke's eye since Locke showed up moments later.

Amyrica

On Lostpedia, they said it was Christian Shepherd (Jack's dead father) in the rocking chair in the cabin.

That is an interesting theory about Jacob being Jack and Claire's father. The only problem I have with it is that Jack and Claire's father died just days before the crash. It seems like Ben has been a follower of Jacob far longer than just these past 91 days. Perhaps he is their uncle - or perhaps he is someone else entirely. It would explain Jack's passion to get back to the island - and his willingness to withhold information about other survivors. There are many episodes to go between now and the end, I think Jack is going to do more bad than good over the next three years. I think the "click" of the gun in Locke's face was an omen of evil by Jack that is sure to come.

Now, for another question to ponder: Did Locke put his weapon down becasue it was unloaded or was it because he is truly a more moral member of the tribe than Jack?

Lostpedia also says the eye that appears in the window was Jacob's

Clearly, Lostpedia is not the LOST authority. Only Linelof and Cuse can tell us who the eye belonged to. I think the eye is Locke's - and that the reason Hurley could see Jacob is because he had appeared to seak more clearly to Locke.

We will see more this Thursday - I can't wait!

WD

That is an interesting theory about Jacob being Jack and Claire's father.

I do not think that was what they were trying to suggest at all. I think it really was just the ghost of Christian Shepherd--not Jacob. Jacob is an entity that's been on the island much longer than the Losties. I only pointed that out because someone on the boards here mentioned that maybe Hurley can see dead people. So, I agree that it seems that he can either see Christian and Charlie (both dead) or his mind has created them (and we all know he supposedly has invented people in his mind before). Although, as far as I know, he had no knowledge of Dr. Shepherd prior to the plane crash or even the fact that his body crashed with the plane. So, I think it's interesting that Hurley saw him in the cabin.

Also, no, I completely agree that Lostpedia isn't the LOST authority. I even said that I thought the eye was Locke's too. So, the question is was Locke able to see Christian if it was Locke's eye?

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I thought it looked like locke's eye. And timeline wise, it would make sense that locke would be hiding out in the cabin. Also, perhaps trying to lure Hurley to their side of thinking....Poor Hurley...I think he sees more than just dead people....I think he just sees more than most people.

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I thought it looked like locke's eye.

It wasn't Mikhail, the indestructible eye patch wearing guy? I thought I saw a flash of eye patch, bit maybe not.

Given that Locke appeared with Hurley right after, I think it was Locke's eye. I think it makes sense that Locke would be in the cabin, since Jacob seemed to want his help.

Definitely wondering who the Oceanic 6 are. So far seems like Jack,Kate and Hurley... Would Sun and Jin have come to America even if they left the island? I'm pretty sure Charlie is really dead! Not sure where Desmond would have ended up--he was certainly anxious to leave the island, so maybe he's #4. What about Sawyer and Juliette?

I'm very curious about what the interaction is going to be between the survivors and whomever is one the boat...perhaps we'll find out this week?

So many questions still unanswered!

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The more I think about it (and talk to my sister), we think Sawyer came off the island with Kate because she was probably pregnant with his baby and he might have felt obligated to come with her since there are definitely some feelings between them. So, my bet for the Oceanic 6 are (and probably wrong, but it's fun anyway):
Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer, Sun, Jin

I also think Jack could have found out Claire is his sister after leaving the island and that may be part of the reason he wants to go back to the island.....for her and Aaron. It could happen....????

Amyrica

with Kate because she was probably pregnant with his baby

OOHH...I never even thought of that!

That would make it very interesting.

I wonder what the final time span will be. Its taken 3 seasons so far to get to 91 days. So for the three more years, how long will they have actually been on the island?