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Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #54172 by Jenni P McD
Nov 30, 2006 6:55pm
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Quote Of course, I could be wrong, and we could all be going to jail very soon! :-P


And I have this really bad feeling that they wouldn't let us take our carving tools along for the trip to the slammer! They have this thing against sharp instruments...

Webfoot
Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #54218 by Webfoot
Nov 30, 2006 9:26pm
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FORKS - SPOONS - do they let you or could you sneak them out of the cafeteria? or do we have to decide on carving or eating? could be new fad diet what shall we call it - carve crazy?
Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #54262 by FALLING LEAVES
Nov 30, 2006 11:06pm
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You know, the POW's in Germany carved fake Nazi seals out of the hard rubber shoe heels.

Shiloh
Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #54218 by Webfoot
Dec 1, 2006 5:37am
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Carving with a sharpened spoon..hrm...
Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #54315 by Ish
Dec 1, 2006 6:01am
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You know you are a letterboxer when you ask for carving tools to be smuggled into the jail for carving stamps and not escaping...all that peace and quiet help the creative juices to flow!
SS- who is searching the web for more material to "copy" and self-incriminate by putting it in a box that is out there for all to find **just not posting the image on the web**!
Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #53792 by Don and Gwen
Dec 1, 2006 5:44pm
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For the record, one of our stamps is included in Cyclonic's page and we take no offense at it (although he did ask us if it would be OK). When you carve a stamp and then place it in a public area with clues posted for the world to see on the internet it is then foolish to expect that the contents are somehow private. Once you go through the long and deliberate process of making the stamp public your control of its image is relinquished. While you can make polite requests, the ultimate decision on the sharing of that image is no longer in your control.

If you feel that the integrity of the artwork or activity is damaged by someone sharing that information you should keep your stamps in a private collection. If you want your ideas and stamps shared and enjoyed by others...that's letterboxing.

jbzfarm
Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #53718 by Lock Wench
Dec 1, 2006 5:52pm
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Quote Just a quick question...does Cyclonic have permission to post all those stamp images of found boxes on his site? And btw, homage stamps are some of my very very favorites!!

LW PhD

PS And how come I never see Cyclonic on these boards?? ;)


Do you miss me ;-) Honestly, not to sound mean or anything, but the stucture of these boards is arcadic, and I find them very difficult to use. Besides, I have enough trouble staying out of trouble in other places to be causing trouble here. The only reason I know of this thread is because it was pointed out to me. That, and the burning in my ears.

But to get to the thrust of the question (that sounds oh so naughty), I've really been lazy with my website. That is the truth. It all started out with this great idea a few years ago, I started work on it, throwing caution to the wind as I so often do, and not really caring about permission or anything.

People got mad. Some just out and out didn't like the idea, which is fine, as it was the same eletists who don't like anything new, but some thought I should seek permission, and I agreed they were probably right.

So, I set about it, contacting everyone who I posted stamps of. Most said sure, go ahead, otherss aid no thanks, it was not for them, and some never responded.

From there I got lazy and never really did anything about it. I intend to go in and clear out the non-responders but have yet to get around to it. It is what it is, and eventually I will do it. I've never been all that concerned because, well, no one visits my site anyways, so not really a big deal. I have been doing some work on it lately, so maybe soon I will get it done, maybe even this weekend.

Oh, and the homage stamps are a bit different because, well, they are supposed to be a mystery as to who actually has them and it tends to be a local thing (but could spread), thus I don't intend not to really change that page except to add a few more as I find them.
Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #54455 by jbzfarm
Dec 1, 2006 6:17pm
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Quote When you carve a stamp and then place it in a public area with clues posted for the world to see on the internet it is then foolish to expect that the contents are somehow private.


What's missing in this comment is the fact that there exists quite a bit of history with letterboxing--publicly disclosing images of letterbox stamps is highly frowned upon--unless one's received permission from the letterbox planter to do so. It's akin to revealing the locations of mystery boxes. Despite all the innovations and variations of the game, it's still important to consider and respect where the hobby came from and the history behind it.

daelphinus
Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #54464 by daelphinus
Dec 1, 2006 7:21pm
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If the history of LB is so important, why use the internet? This hobby is evolving, not everyone may like every aspect of its evolution, but it has evolved from the very first box. While, during the early years the evolution was quite slow, the internet (the very vehicle in which you provide clues) contributes significantly to its evolution with no disrespect to its history. Change is the only constant, well, besides the speed of light.

jbzfarm
Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #54476 by jbzfarm
Dec 1, 2006 8:21pm
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Quote If the history of LB is so important, why use the internet? This hobby is evolving, not everyone may like every aspect of its evolution, but it has evolved from the very first box. While, during the early years the evolution was quite slow, the internet (the very vehicle in which you provide clues) contributes significantly to its evolution with no disrespect to its history. Change is the only constant, well, besides the speed of light.

jbzfarm


I guess then you wouldn't have a problem if someone figured out your mystery clues(#20 through #31) and posted the easier clues on the internet. That would just be an evolution to some folks and an easier way for some finders to locate your letterboxes.
Ahh, but the history of letterboxing seems to be against that.
Some changes just should not be done.

Don
Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #54459 by Cyclonic
Dec 1, 2006 8:23pm
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Ah, sorry about that Cyclonic. It seems I viewed your site before you were able to do a little spring cleaning. But I gotta admit..I love those homage stamps and try hard to get them when I can....

And thanks for poking your head up on these boards! It's good to see you, even if I WAS humiliated by being one of the few boxers unable to open your padlock on that evil box of yours...

LW PhD ( who just collects antique locks..but is unable to open some of them)
Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #54499 by Don and Gwen
Dec 2, 2006 3:49am
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I agree with you in that some changes would hurt the integrity of the hobby. You know its only a matter of time until someone does have a blue diamond blog and answers to the mystery boxes. And some folks may like it and many would be terribly upset. I would not be surprised if a LB hitman was hired. Seriously, the only way to slow the evolution of it is to stick to WOM clues and not post.

IMHO...The difference between "sharing a stamp image" and telling someone the answers to the clues is that one of them disintegrates the point of the box itself (finding it). Just because I see a stamp image on the net, does not mean I have it or am able to find that box any easier. However, if the answers to the clues are posted and the hunters are looking up the answers, then the integrity of the hunters is in question. The game goes on for many boxers.

Personally, if that happened (the blue diamond blog and mysteries answered), I would turn to WOM clues only. Having someone post my stamp online does not jeopardize the integrity of the box, the stamp, the game or the clues. To have someone post the answers and locations of my mystery boxes infringes on the whole point of finding the box.

If we wanted to blanket the whole hobby with "respect to history" we would be using personal cards, not stamps and strictly WOM.

jbzfarm
Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #54550 by jbzfarm
Dec 2, 2006 8:58am
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Quote The difference between "sharing a stamp image" and telling someone the answers to the clues is that one of them disintegrates the point of the box itself (finding it).


We have a series for example where the stamp itself is a key to a code that allows the finder to figure out where the last box is located. Now granted the stamp is certainly not pretty or have any remarkable features other than the key code , so it would probably never get posted by anyone. Other boxes we have planted do have a different stamp at the location that tends to be surprise. Here is an example... A letterbox is planted at Henry's Bridge would have a carving of Bridge work (false teeth). So posting of those type of stamps would ruin and disintegrate the point of the box, or atleast alter the finders experience. In several of our boxes the stamp image was created to have that 'head slapping' moment.

You are right about someone putting up answers to mystery boxes and other shortcuts, but that was tried before and many clues either went off the websites or the titles kept changing. There was some letterboxers that posted shortcuts and comments regarding other information on letterboxes and that was done without planters permission and input. That created a short lived war between planters and the site. That site is no longer active.

The history of USA letterboxing has been web based and there has always been people who keep trying to change the game. My point is not that the images not be posted, but there should be prior approval and that wouldn't be that difficult to obtain.

I agree that there are reasons for pulling clues and going WOM, but for now I see the web sites remaining pretty placer friendly and that may be to the chagrin of some finders.

I do think that it is somewhat ironic that Randy (Mapsurfer) no longer lists his clues on(his) LbNA and that may certainly be due to too much information.

Don
Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #54573 by Don and Gwen
Dec 2, 2006 9:57am
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Quote My point is not that the images not be posted, but there should be prior approval and that wouldn't be that difficult to obtain.


Yeah, I'd agree with that. I've posted a couple of pix of my own stamps, but really I think permission should be sought before posting someone else's, even if you found it in a letterbox on public land.

To me, the online representation of a stamp image is sorta like a xerox copy of a signature. You can tell it's not the original, so it's not forgery. It's not like anyone is gonna claim they found the box when they didn't. But I suspect many people would prefer their stamp images not be posted online.
Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #54581 by Kirbert
Dec 2, 2006 3:37pm
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Quote but really I think permission should be sought before posting someone else's,


For what it's worth, I gave Cyclonic permission before he even asked me.

Janila of Team Little Dog
Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #54280 by shiloh
Dec 5, 2006 10:52am
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The Great Escape. And all time fav movie.

Scarab
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You know, the POW's in Germany carved fake Nazi seals out of the hard rubber shoe heels.

Shiloh
Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #55195 by Scarab
Dec 5, 2006 10:00pm
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Quote The Great Escape. And all time fav movie.

Scarab
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You know, the POW's in Germany carved fake Nazi seals out of the hard rubber shoe heels.

Shiloh


I actually saw this on Discovery about some of the things the POW's would do.

Shiloh
Re: Homage stamps
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Reply to: #55264 by shiloh
Dec 6, 2006 4:25am
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So Scarab....now I know who to share my "special" collection of movies with......Great Escape, Dirty Dozen, Guns of Navarone, Das Boot, etc.

LW PhD (Who is just a big war movie junkie)