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Re: Skydiving/LB Event
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #287799 by Team Angel Baby
Oct 1, 2008 3:07am
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Happy October 1st! It is DANG cold outside this morning!

Okay....as promised, I wanted to come back to everyone after seeing how many folks were determined to skydive. Even though we ended up with more ground crew than expected, we don't have enough actual jumpers who know they want, and will be able to skydive "for sure". (There are always more folks who opt out once we actually get to the drop zone too.) So, I will not be coordinating this. =(

If anyone else wants to do this, please feel free and this does not mean that the 3 or 4 who ARE interested can't just go on their own!! That is how most do it! Hopefully you will share your experience on our board just the same!!
Re: Skydiving/LB Event
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290261 by Trailtracker
Oct 1, 2008 5:03am
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TT - I'm actually relieved that you made this decision. I was having such a hard time deciding and now I'm off the hook. YEAH! So - what are your thoughts about the boat outing you mentioned. You doing anything with that?
Re: Skydiving/LB Event
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290280 by becohio
Oct 1, 2008 5:19am
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bec---I figured as much! =D It can be very stressful to make the decision to jump and so anyone on the fence, generally won't go through with it. I know for me it took me backing out way back and then it took certain tumblers to sort of click into place including taking that course at OSU.

I'm putting the canoing thing on the back burner for right now. I have GOT to get my Hocking Hills boxes squared away first and literally need to visit or revisit every single box---which is about 40.

I have now had a good 10-12 boxes go missing for 3, 4, 6 or even 12 months (100% confirmed missing) and then reappear?! VERY frustrating that they must be riding around in someone's trunk or at home and then get put back either after I change them to retired or recarve. I'm also starting to get reports of finds that are very savvy but that their profile only shows that one find and that the profile was only opened that day. (P pack---I am not talking about the stamp/box that you so kindly found and picked up for me---complete with AQ email---that you are bringing to me at SOHT.) If only those who either get stuck with the box because of muggles would give the courtesy of an email!! I would even pay for postage to send it back to me so I can replace the box if they are out of the area. grrr

**Anyone else experiencing any of this??
Re: Skydiving/LB Event
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290285 by Trailtracker
Oct 1, 2008 6:58am
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I'm also starting to get reports of finds that are very savvy but that their profile only shows that one find and that the profile was only opened that day.

That is Strange TT!! I've had a few go missing that I need to take care of (hopefully this weekend), but nothing that would make me take note of suspicious behavior.
Re: Skydiving/LB Event
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290317 by DrWatson
Oct 1, 2008 7:06am
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I'm also starting to get reports of finds that are very savvy but that their profile only shows that one find and that the profile was only opened that day

Could these people have found the box accientally, then created a profile to log the find? It seems odd that someone would go to the trouble of creating a profile to get a clue to only find one box in an area filled with wonderful boxes!
Re: Skydiving/LB Event
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290319 by songwriter
Oct 1, 2008 7:46am
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Probably LBNA folks who have just discovered AQ. I lost a few at Deercreek this year and a couple of my WOM boxes in Columbus. Even small LnL boxes got wet.
Re: Skydiving/LB Event
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290319 by songwriter
Oct 1, 2008 8:30am
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Could these people have found the box accientally, then created a profile to log the find? It seems odd that someone would go to the trouble of creating a profile to get a clue to only find one box in an area filled with wonderful boxes!

I could be wrong but my guess it was someone who does not like to record their finds. As I was saying, their feedback was WAY too savvy to be a brand new letterboxer. I can't think of why else to do that. It's bizzare no matter how you look at it.
Re: Skydiving/LB Event
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290340 by Pioneer Spirit
Oct 1, 2008 8:37am
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((Probably LBNA folks who have just discovered AQ.))

More than once---including this last message---they specifically said this was their very first box. That's what drove me to look at their profile. Most of these times, the boxes are still there and they have recorded their finds. I've probably confused everyone with combining two issues so let me restate:

1. Has anyone else had their boxes go missing (confirmed---not guesses) only to have them show up a few months later?
2. Has anyone else noticed folks with brand new profiles recording their finds of your plants with very savvy feedback saying that was their first (and looking at their profile ONLY) find?
Re: Skydiving/LB Event
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290353 by Trailtracker
Oct 1, 2008 8:41am
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What kind of savvy feedback are you talking about here?
Re: Skydiving/LB Event
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290353 by Trailtracker
Oct 1, 2008 8:41am
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I know I found two of yours while checking mine in the same areas, I think both were listed as unavailable but they had clearly been there the entire time. One at Alum creek and one at Deer creek, mine at Deer creek did not fare so well however. I monitor a couple done by Seeker of Flags since that person is inactive.
Was Skydiving/LB Event now box problems
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290353 by Trailtracker
Oct 1, 2008 8:50am
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Hi Trailtracker

Excuse this Californian for buttin in, but similar things have happened in Ca.

We had a LB at Nojoque Falls, Amanda planted one about 1 year later down the trail from ours. Soon after hers went missing and we kept getting strange notes about the carving of the turtle in ours. Come to find out our box was replaced with hers.

Then that went missing, and after a while our letterbox reappeared in the original spot. Hers never reappeared and ours finally disappeared sometime later.

All this is a ?

Fortunately it hasn't continued.

We did get a note from a non boxer on another LB that advised they found the box and moved it to a new location per our instructions to "rehide well". Fortunately they advised in the note where they moved it to.

If someone takes letterboxes on purpose hopefully they will tire of their game. If it is ignorance hopefully they will become educated.

Don, buttin out
Re: Skydiving/LB Event
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290355 by songwriter
Oct 1, 2008 8:57am
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By savvy, I mean folks who clearly understand not only the basics of letterboxing, but the finer points too.

PS---I'm not talking about those boxes. I'll give three examples. My letterbox down in Sugar Grove at the caboose---confirmed by 3 of us---me included and it was gone for 4 or so months.

Both the left and the right boots of my Rocky Boot boxes down at Hocking Hills (but not the 3rd logo box)---100% guaranteed gone. I personally checked TWICE myself plus had two others let me know. Now they are back?!

My Forest Rose box in Lancaster at the Forest Rose Cemetery. First it was gone for about 3 months. I recarved and replaced. (I can't quite remember the order, but either the original box then showed up a few months later or it went missing once again. Either way, the second time I did not recarve or replace for a YEAR---at first just to be sure it didn't show up again---but I was also not super motivated to recarve again. Bottom line---with that box, I now have 3 of the same stamp carved---one at the cemetery and two here at home. With that one, I figured someone just couldn't get the box back if other folks came to that area to tend or visit graves.

But with this pattern of it happening at other boxes.....I'm not sure what to think. Panda07 was even helping me try to watch and figure out what was happening at the caboose one. With 3 or 4 boxes---the boxes, once they show back up are nice and clean and not covered with the typical outdoor debris. That's why I'm saying they probably were riding around in someone's trunk etc. (The caboose box is always clean due to the location of where it's hidden---so that comment about debris is not about that box---but that one is now back in place after been MIA since this spring I think it was.) It's crossed my mind that someone wanted to borrow the stamps for whatever reason and then put them back. I could be way off---but with both boots tracks and not the logo one gone, I don't know what else to think. Unless they never found the logo one...?? It's just odd.
Re: Was Skydiving/LB Event now box problems
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290360 by Don and Gwen
Oct 1, 2008 9:00am
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We did get a note from a non boxer on another LB that advised they found the box and moved it to a new location per our instructions to "rehide well". Fortunately they advised in the note where they moved it to.

Oh my gosh! =D I guess that's ONE way to interpret the instructions!!

Thanks for your input, Don. It's helpful to know what is happening in other parts of the country too for added perspective!
Re: Skydiving/LB Event
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290362 by Trailtracker
Oct 1, 2008 9:02am
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This wouldn't apply to the Caboose or the cemetery, but what about Rangers? Could they have pulled your boxes, then after checking into LBing put them back?? I don't know-it all seems so strange. There must be some explanation as to why this is happening. Is this going on with anyone else's boxes in your area? Is this an area happening or something bigger?
Re: Skydiving/LB Event
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290367 by songwriter
Oct 1, 2008 9:09am
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Is this going on with anyone else's boxes in your area? Is this an area happening or something bigger?

I don't know if it's happening with other's boxes---this is why I'm sort of putting it out there, but for me it's happening in a larger area of several different type of box placements. I guess it COULD be the ranger down in the Hocking Hills area---and the folks who run the caboose---and the cemetery caretakers. For each of these places I've mentioned---you are right. It could be them checking these boxes out...but it just seems odd that in a year's time this would happen at each location. On the other hand, with increased visitors, maybe folks at each of these locations are starting to notice and wonder why folks always go to THAT tree, THAT part of the caboose and reach their hands in there?! or whatever. (Thinking....thinking.....)

Thanks Michelle!
Re: Skydiving/LB Event
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290376 by Trailtracker
Oct 1, 2008 10:25am
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That is really odd. I could see it possibly being folks having to take the boxes with them because they can't get them back to their proper location. But, what are the odds that out of all of them you don't get an email from one person saying sorry had to take the box with us because of to many people around the hiding spot. What do you want us to do? Hang onto it until we return in X amount of months or would you like it mailed back. It seems to me that if its a letterboxer smart enough to know to take the box instead of putting the hiding spot in jepordy they would be smart enough to send you an email. You got me scratching my head on this one. Did you check to see if the trail name was registered on LBNA also?
Re: Skydiving/LB Event
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290376 by Trailtracker
Oct 1, 2008 10:33am
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THAT part of the caboose and reach their hands in there

Well, on the caboose one I already admited to TT that I got caught red-handed there by the Caboose people, so they know it is there. However I found that almost a year ago and I do see finds after mine. That is strange that they would just disappear and then re-appear...interesting...

OK, sneaking on back to work.....
HT
I think I figured it out!
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290419 by HappyTrails
Oct 1, 2008 11:17am
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HT---this was nothing to do with you and the caboose box. This was definitely WAY after you had been there. No worries!!!

I do think I've figured it out. I think it has to do with someone I tried to convert to letterboxing and is involved in cub scouts. (NOT the Blue Star Mom who came to the workshop, however.) This other mom mentioned that she wanted to do a mini-event on her own property and wanted to borrow boxes---which is what lead to me to create that traveling BSA series of 16 boxes---but I'm guessing that she might have borrowed these traditional boxes not realizing what that might do on this side of things.

All the boxes that went MIA would readily relate to things cub scouts would be interested in and she is down in that general area. She doesn't have a trailname but does know how to log on to find clues. None of these boxes have ANY F or P restrictions either---so easily accessible. They also were not concerned with logging finds---so the name wouldn't show up. I guess I'm really glad they are "all??" back safe and sound AND in the right spots from what I've seen and from what I can tell!!! Now I'm glad no one else experienced this---as maybe she only borrowed my boxes. I need to look at the logbooks and see if there are a bunch of "Bens, Joes, Marks" etc who signed in with thumb prints! =D

Thanks to songwriter who kept emailing me back and forth to help me figure this out. I could be 100% wrong---but it seems to all make sense and it makes me feel better to know what the deal is/was.
Re: Skydiving/LB Event
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290261 by Trailtracker
Oct 1, 2008 2:12pm
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we don't have enough actual jumpers who know they want, and will be able to skydive "for sure". (There are always more folks who opt out once we actually get to the drop zone too.) So, I will not be coordinating this. =(

DANG--- see what happens when I get sick and don't log on for, well, ever!
I SO wanted to do this!
How many people would you need to commit to reconsider?

I know some people in Kentucky who are daredevils. I bet I could talk them into it! ;)
Re: I think I figured it out!
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290452 by Trailtracker
Oct 1, 2008 3:03pm
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I'm glad you figured it out too. If it were happening to me I'd be freaked out thinking someone was playing a not so nice practical joke on me.
Re: Was Skydiving/LB Event now box problems
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #290360 by Don and Gwen
Oct 1, 2008 3:17pm
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they found the box and moved it to a new location per our instructions to "rehide well".

Oh my goodness...I never ever thought of "re-hide" being taken in that context! It's strange how some of us put the emPHAsis on the wrong sylLAble, isn't it?